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		<title>By: Nash</title>
		<link>http://gimpyblog.wordpress.com/2008/01/30/nhs-support-for-homeopathy-evaporates/#comment-2057</link>
		<dc:creator>Nash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 13:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Observer re 45

I think this applies especially to you.</description>
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<p>I think this applies especially to you.</p>
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		<title>By: Observer</title>
		<link>http://gimpyblog.wordpress.com/2008/01/30/nhs-support-for-homeopathy-evaporates/#comment-2055</link>
		<dc:creator>Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 13:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A quotation worth citing,

"
Radhakrishnan, the Indian Philosopher writes "We deny a thing because it is inconsistent with what we believe''
"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A quotation worth citing,</p>
<p>&#8221;<br />
Radhakrishnan, the Indian Philosopher writes &#8220;We deny a thing because it is inconsistent with what we believe&#8221;<br />
&#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: Observer</title>
		<link>http://gimpyblog.wordpress.com/2008/01/30/nhs-support-for-homeopathy-evaporates/#comment-2054</link>
		<dc:creator>Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 12:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some recent published paper,

INTERNATIONAL JOURNAL OF ONCOLOGY 23: 975-982, 2003
975

“Ruta 6 selectively induces cell death in brain cancer cells but
proliferation in normal peripheral blood lymphocytes:
A novel treatment for human brain cancer”

http://www.pbhrfindia.org/images/stories/pdf/ruta6.pdf

One thing to remember: 
Blinding is not critical to a successful study according to epidemiologists such as Dr Hennekens.

Hennekens, CH. Buring, JE. “Epidemiology in medicine”. Lippincott Williams and Wilkins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some recent published paper,</p>
<p>INTERNATIONAL JOURNAL OF ONCOLOGY 23: 975-982, 2003<br />
975</p>
<p>“Ruta 6 selectively induces cell death in brain cancer cells but<br />
proliferation in normal peripheral blood lymphocytes:<br />
A novel treatment for human brain cancer”</p>
<p><a href="http://www.pbhrfindia.org/images/stories/pdf/ruta6.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.pbhrfindia.org/images/stories/pdf/ruta6.pdf</a></p>
<p>One thing to remember:<br />
Blinding is not critical to a successful study according to epidemiologists such as Dr Hennekens.</p>
<p>Hennekens, CH. Buring, JE. “Epidemiology in medicine”. Lippincott Williams and Wilkins.</p>
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		<title>By: Nash</title>
		<link>http://gimpyblog.wordpress.com/2008/01/30/nhs-support-for-homeopathy-evaporates/#comment-2053</link>
		<dc:creator>Nash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Which god are you referring to?  Zeus, Osiris or Brahman?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which god are you referring to?  Zeus, Osiris or Brahman?</p>
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		<title>By: observer</title>
		<link>http://gimpyblog.wordpress.com/2008/01/30/nhs-support-for-homeopathy-evaporates/#comment-2052</link>
		<dc:creator>observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You criticize that homeopathic studies are not blinded, but blinding is not critical to a successful study according to epidemiologists such as Dr Hennekens. 
Hennekens, CH. Buring, JE. "Epidemiology in medicine". Lippincott Williams and Wilkins.

Modern Medicine is NOT Evidence Based at all! In actual fact it is very unscientific! 

““only about 15% of medical interventions are supported by solid scientific evidence” (BMJ Editorial)” 

I bet you wont publish my comments on this site. You publish only the criticisms of homeopathy! This latest crusade against homeopathy worldwide is organized by mafia networks that sustain the so called "modern medicine".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You criticize that homeopathic studies are not blinded, but blinding is not critical to a successful study according to epidemiologists such as Dr Hennekens.<br />
Hennekens, CH. Buring, JE. &#8220;Epidemiology in medicine&#8221;. Lippincott Williams and Wilkins.</p>
<p>Modern Medicine is NOT Evidence Based at all! In actual fact it is very unscientific! </p>
<p>““only about 15% of medical interventions are supported by solid scientific evidence” (BMJ Editorial)” </p>
<p>I bet you wont publish my comments on this site. You publish only the criticisms of homeopathy! This latest crusade against homeopathy worldwide is organized by mafia networks that sustain the so called &#8220;modern medicine&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: observer</title>
		<link>http://gimpyblog.wordpress.com/2008/01/30/nhs-support-for-homeopathy-evaporates/#comment-2051</link>
		<dc:creator>observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 06:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How can Science be right? When it discounts even God and Creation! Does the acceptance of the FACT that there is a GOD and that the Universe was Created by Him change everything we know about science? In other words does God fit within the scientific thinking and laws? One of the two must be right either science that was created by God is wrong or “scientists” are limited in their thinking (they have thick skulls;). On these grounds I don’t trust Science! It has its limits!! God created man and science! It is just that man with his limited thinking cannot grasp all of it!


I think you all should read;

Human Wisdom vs. God’s Wisdom
http://www.apronus.com/theology/humanwisdom.htm

and Pope John Paul’s 2nd, “Crossing The Threshold of Hope”, chapter titled,

“PROOF”: IS IT STILL VALID?
http://www.catholic.net/RCC/POPE/HopeBook/chap5.html

I quiet like this bit here,

I quote, “http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_of_the_gaps”

“The “God-of-the-gaps argument” in modern usage
A common argument is that the lack of scientific knowledge about an unexplained phenomenon does not mean that it is an act of God, but rather that scientific research has not yet found an answer.”

So instead of quacking here all of you, put your wisdom to the test and find an answer. Lay your scientific golden egg, will you!

I cite KJV text, 1 Corinthians 3:18-23
“Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.”

“For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.”

“And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.”

“Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours;”

“Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are yours;”

“And ye are Christ’s; and Christ is God’s.”


This is a very smart and devilish act. You demand high quality research, but you urge the governments not to support homeopathy financially etc..

Then you reinforce EBM to destroy it and the whole of CAM, but did you know that: 

"“only about 15% of medical interventions are supported by solid scientific evidence” (BMJ Editorial)"

You fall into your own trap! 

Homeopaths and CAM practitioners will take your criticism and use it constructively. It will only strengthen and NOT destroy it! Take my word for it! It has happened before and it will happen again! 

Did Hitler win the 2nd World War? 
I wish you good luck!
There are more people than you think who will fight back! 
Homeopathy produces results on humans, and this is what counts! A person who suffered all their life gets relief and do you think he will fall for your deceit? I bet NOT! 


Guys, there is a lot of confusion created by classical homeopaths as to the potency selection of the homeopathic remedy. There has been a misunderstanding among homeopaths about this issue, since no real research has been done in the past 200 years. However there is a Research team in India who have done a lot of research and so have solved the issue once and for all. Please take a look at these links for the explanation: 

Here is an extract from a book on "Advanced Homeopathy" by Dr Parimal Banerji: 

http://www.hpathy.com/homeopathyforums/forum_posts.asp?TID=6294&#38;PN=1


And a link to Dr Parimal Banerji's site: 

http://www.drpbanerji.com/advanced_homeopathy.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can Science be right? When it discounts even God and Creation! Does the acceptance of the FACT that there is a GOD and that the Universe was Created by Him change everything we know about science? In other words does God fit within the scientific thinking and laws? One of the two must be right either science that was created by God is wrong or “scientists” are limited in their thinking (they have thick skulls;). On these grounds I don’t trust Science! It has its limits!! God created man and science! It is just that man with his limited thinking cannot grasp all of it!</p>
<p>I think you all should read;</p>
<p>Human Wisdom vs. God’s Wisdom<br />
<a href="http://www.apronus.com/theology/humanwisdom.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.apronus.com/theology/humanwisdom.htm</a></p>
<p>and Pope John Paul’s 2nd, “Crossing The Threshold of Hope”, chapter titled,</p>
<p>“PROOF”: IS IT STILL VALID?<br />
<a href="http://www.catholic.net/RCC/POPE/HopeBook/chap5.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.catholic.net/RCC/POPE/HopeBook/chap5.html</a></p>
<p>I quiet like this bit here,</p>
<p>I quote, “http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_of_the_gaps”</p>
<p>“The “God-of-the-gaps argument” in modern usage<br />
A common argument is that the lack of scientific knowledge about an unexplained phenomenon does not mean that it is an act of God, but rather that scientific research has not yet found an answer.”</p>
<p>So instead of quacking here all of you, put your wisdom to the test and find an answer. Lay your scientific golden egg, will you!</p>
<p>I cite KJV text, 1 Corinthians 3:18-23<br />
“Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.”</p>
<p>“For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.”</p>
<p>“And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.”</p>
<p>“Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours;”</p>
<p>“Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are yours;”</p>
<p>“And ye are Christ’s; and Christ is God’s.”</p>
<p>This is a very smart and devilish act. You demand high quality research, but you urge the governments not to support homeopathy financially etc..</p>
<p>Then you reinforce EBM to destroy it and the whole of CAM, but did you know that: </p>
<p>&#8220;“only about 15% of medical interventions are supported by solid scientific evidence” (BMJ Editorial)&#8221;</p>
<p>You fall into your own trap! </p>
<p>Homeopaths and CAM practitioners will take your criticism and use it constructively. It will only strengthen and NOT destroy it! Take my word for it! It has happened before and it will happen again! </p>
<p>Did Hitler win the 2nd World War?<br />
I wish you good luck!<br />
There are more people than you think who will fight back!<br />
Homeopathy produces results on humans, and this is what counts! A person who suffered all their life gets relief and do you think he will fall for your deceit? I bet NOT! </p>
<p>Guys, there is a lot of confusion created by classical homeopaths as to the potency selection of the homeopathic remedy. There has been a misunderstanding among homeopaths about this issue, since no real research has been done in the past 200 years. However there is a Research team in India who have done a lot of research and so have solved the issue once and for all. Please take a look at these links for the explanation: </p>
<p>Here is an extract from a book on &#8220;Advanced Homeopathy&#8221; by Dr Parimal Banerji: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.hpathy.com/homeopathyforums/forum_posts.asp?TID=6294&amp;PN=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.hpathy.com/homeopathyforums/forum_posts.asp?TID=6294&amp;PN=1</a></p>
<p>And a link to Dr Parimal Banerji&#8217;s site: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.drpbanerji.com/advanced_homeopathy.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.drpbanerji.com/advanced_homeopathy.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Humber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Humber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 21:06:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill, I have tried to respond, but my post is not accepted.

&lt;em&gt;It was caught up in the spam filter.  I think I've recovered it now.  My apologies = gimpy&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill, I have tried to respond, but my post is not accepted.</p>
<p><em>It was caught up in the spam filter.  I think I&#8217;ve recovered it now.  My apologies = gimpy</em></p>
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		<title>By: Humber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Humber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 20:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill, 
    Yes, but entirely fluent gobbledy gook.
Children often accept what is given too them as being good for them.  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15335462

When abstract ideas such as good/bad evolved, it would have 
been necessary to build upon existing responses such as edible/inedible. It has to start somewhere.
It is possible that homeopathy with its longer, more sympathetic approach, may better invoke this response in adults than would a GP.

I think that you have said it yourself; homeopaths have their own  way of determining what is true or not. Telling them for the nth time that the remedies are below Avogadro's limit will have no effect- they simply don't see that as relevant.

If the response from skeptics is to remark "this would  require a complete revision of known physics" serves only to reinforce their prejudice of scientific fundamentalism. Skeptiscm sometimes looks like that, even to me. 

Homeopaths are aware of the placebo effect, they certainly accept its presence in allopathic trials, but do not apply it to themselves, because they say that the witnessed results are beyond such explanation. Native vitalism is a putative answer to that claim, and if of marked effect, explains the practitioner's assessment, avoiding the perhaps insulting counterclaim of confirmation bias.

I do not give credence to any entanglement ideas, but allowing them as a heuristic starting point, means that homeopathy must provide the remainder or the hypothesis or come up with a trial that allows its existence to be demonstrated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill,<br />
    Yes, but entirely fluent gobbledy gook.<br />
Children often accept what is given too them as being good for them.  <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15335462" rel="nofollow">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15335462</a></p>
<p>When abstract ideas such as good/bad evolved, it would have<br />
been necessary to build upon existing responses such as edible/inedible. It has to start somewhere.<br />
It is possible that homeopathy with its longer, more sympathetic approach, may better invoke this response in adults than would a GP.</p>
<p>I think that you have said it yourself; homeopaths have their own  way of determining what is true or not. Telling them for the nth time that the remedies are below Avogadro&#8217;s limit will have no effect- they simply don&#8217;t see that as relevant.</p>
<p>If the response from skeptics is to remark &#8220;this would  require a complete revision of known physics&#8221; serves only to reinforce their prejudice of scientific fundamentalism. Skeptiscm sometimes looks like that, even to me. </p>
<p>Homeopaths are aware of the placebo effect, they certainly accept its presence in allopathic trials, but do not apply it to themselves, because they say that the witnessed results are beyond such explanation. Native vitalism is a putative answer to that claim, and if of marked effect, explains the practitioner&#8217;s assessment, avoiding the perhaps insulting counterclaim of confirmation bias.</p>
<p>I do not give credence to any entanglement ideas, but allowing them as a heuristic starting point, means that homeopathy must provide the remainder or the hypothesis or come up with a trial that allows its existence to be demonstrated.</p>
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		<title>By: auquai</title>
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		<dc:creator>auquai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 18:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Nash

"Maths lecturers tell me that maths is the only subject that is true."

Well they would, wouldn't they? Can they prove this using maths?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Nash</p>
<p>&#8220;Maths lecturers tell me that maths is the only subject that is true.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well they would, wouldn&#8217;t they? Can they prove this using maths?</p>
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		<title>By: bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 15:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Humber

"At the human level, and evolved naif vitalism could be responsible for greater patient reaction than could be expected from culturally imprinted expectation."

That is gobbledy gook. Can you re-phrase that in plain English?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Humber</p>
<p>&#8220;At the human level, and evolved naif vitalism could be responsible for greater patient reaction than could be expected from culturally imprinted expectation.&#8221;</p>
<p>That is gobbledy gook. Can you re-phrase that in plain English?</p>
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