Homeopathic supporting MP David Tredinnick misleads Parliament and offers staggeringly dimwitted endorsements.
Posted by gimpy on February 20, 2008
What is it about supporters of homeopathy and their inability to honestly appraise evidence (and indeed be honest)? In the early hours of Tuesday 19th Feb MP David Tredinnick (Bosworth, Con) spoke out in support of homeopathy. Like many public statements of support for homeopathy his speech is riddled with inaccuracies, half-truths, lies and appallingly dangerous endorsements.
I am pleased to have the opportunity to introduce this important debate about the threat to the homeopathic hospitals. Their very survival may be at stake and I look forward to hearing from the Minister.
This debate comes at a time when support for homeopathy is at an all-time high, including in the House, with one third of Members signing early-day motion 1240 in the last Session, in support of homeopathy. The Government claim to support choice in health care, but as far as homeopathy is concerned, they are reducing choice. It is not commonly known, but homeopathy has always been available on the health service because its founder, Nye Bevan, had a homeopathic doctor and insisted that that was the case.
Now the EDM merely confirmed to me that a substantial minority of parliamentarians lack critical faculties, and is covered in splendid fashion here, here, and google will link to many more here. More laughable is the claim that support for homeopathy is at an all time high. The H:MC21, homeopathy worked for me site, claims that as of late January 5,000 people have signed the petition online and 382 in person. Now I suspect for some reason that not all the online signatures will be genuine but nevertheless will take this at face value, so 5,382 people support homeopathy. Now the population of Great Britain is approximately 60m so that makes 0.00897% willing to declare support for homeopathy. By comparison there are close to 400,000 Jedis in the UK, a fictional religion from a sci-fi film. I don’t see any MP’s arguing that support for Jedis is at an all time high and we should have state-funded lightsabers (although it goes without saying that we should). So how does this nitwit speak out for a minority lifestyle choice?
……homeopathy does not fit normal—that is, orthodox—methods of assessment. For example, the scale of prescribing is in reverse so that the weaker the dose, the more powerful or effective it is. That subject has always been hotly disputed by many doctors, but homeopathic treatments have been operating on the reverse scale of prescribing for 200 years. Some of the most powerful—the constitutional remedies—are so diluted that they can hardly be detected. There are similar problems with acupuncture and its acceptance, as some doctors and commissioners do not necessarily believe in meridians. The same issue occurs with herbs that are unknown in this country.
Another simpler explanation of why complementary services, and the homeopathic commission in particular, have been cut recently is that they are the easiest therapy to cut. Just as advertising gets cut when times get hard in business, when the primary care trusts try to balance their budgets under the new devolved arrangements they often go for homeopathy and other complementary therapies as the soft target.
I think this is subtle proof that Tredinnick isn’t exactly a man with a firm grasp of the physical sciences. I can barely bring myself to mock the thought processes of a man who appears so credulous. But then he goes on to say this which is perilously close to a falsehood:
the Royal London Homeopathic hospital has conducted more than 130 randomised and controlled trials of homeopathic treatments that show very effective results, so surely it is in the Department’s interests to make sure that those results are publicised to PCTs.
Now there is no evidence for the existence of these 130 trials, not least in the Complementary and Alternative Medicine Specialist Library, whose own evidence base has been skilfully dissected and exposed by apgaylard, which reports a mere 40 or so trials. Is David Tredinnick deliberately lying or is he simply mistaken? Personally I opt for idiocy over deception. There is ample evidence elsewhere in his speech for this.
Another problem that homeopathic hospitals have had to face is ill informed and hostile media coverage, as well as a dirty tricks campaign. The Minister may recall that in May 2007 some doctors issued a spurious document—printed on official paper, with the NHS logo—claiming that homeopathic services should be decommissioned. The Government have never written to PCTs to refute that document.
Now I cannot think of any dirty tricks played on homeopaths by David Colquhoun, Ben Goldacre, or indeed any other critic of homeopathy. On the contrary homeopaths and quacks have only been too keen to resort to spurious, and occasionally successful, legal attempts to suppress criticism. David Tredinnick then goes on to prove that not only is he an idiot but he is a stupid and dangerous cunt as well:
I want to allow the Minister time to reply, because the fate of the Royal London Homeopathic hospital is of great concern internationally. I shall illustrate that, and the importance of the treatment, by looking at the results that have been achieved in Africa by homeopaths who have been trained at the hospitals that I have mentioned. Those results are especially instructive, as the homeopaths involved are treating patients with AIDS, HIV or other serious diseases such as malaria, in countries where the problems are very great.
For example, at Kendu bay in Kenya’s Nyanza province, the Abha Light foundation is an organisation that partners mothers and orphans in the rural community who are suffering from AIDS, and it has had great success in returning those people to an active life. There has also been considerable success in the use of the local herb product called neem as a homeopathic medicine. It has produced what has been described as
“a convincing reduction in malaria attacks”
in a highly endemic area.
I shall close with a note about what is happening in Swaziland in southern Africa. I know a homeopath who has worked there well, and I asked her for a description of what was happening in the clinics there. Her letter to me states:
“Seven years ago I introduced Homeopathy to Swaziland, providing a community of 10,000 people with the only health care available to them. In addition I travelled around with a mobile clinic reaching other very remote areas. On an average day I could see up to 50 patients…Five years ago I built a homeopathic clinic…it was so successful that the people wanted to ensure my tenure which ensured their continued treatment on a daily basis.”
The letter goes on to say that other homeopaths were brought in to help, and that the clinic treated patients who came from as much as 300 miles away.
“Aside from the predominant treatment for HIV, TB and malaria, treatment is being given for many other common ailments such as urinary infections, diarrhoea, skin eruptions, diabetes, epilepsy, eye infections, intestinal parasites, treatment from pregnancy to childbirth, to more serious but locally common ailments like cancer, gangrene, toxaemia…and general injuries…In other words the list is endless.”
The letter states that the homeopathic treatments have achieved success rates of close to 100 per cent.
“As a result many lives have been saved, and pain and misery alleviated, in a community which can simply not afford orthodox treatment even if it were available.”
That is a very important issue for developing countries. Homeopathy is so inexpensive that it is available to everyone. When homeopathic services are introduced, they tend to increase in size very quickly. My acquaintance’s letter goes on to say:
“The low cost of the remedies and the relatively short dosage period, together with the positive results of the treatment are responsible for the expansion and ever increasing demand in a Country that is unable to give the majority of the population even the most basic of health care. Therefore, Homeopathy is excellent value and has saved countless lives as well as alleviating the suffering of the countless unemployed, elderly and orphaned in Swaziland.
We will of course continue with our work. At the end of a day, when we simply cannot see any more patients, the remaining untreated patients usually start fighting among each other as to who will be the last to be seen. A true vote of confidence!”
It has been a common theme of many bloggers, myself included, that NHS support for homeopathy supports the dangerous quacks who believe, in apparent sincerity, that homeopathy is a panacea for all of humanities incurable diseases. Sadly the Quackometer is offline at the moment or I would link to Le Canard Noir’s excellent dissection of homeopathic AIDs and malaria quackery so you will have to make do with Ben Goldacre’s thoughts instead. Ben Goldacre has written to Mr Tredinnick asking some very pertinent questions. It beggars belief that an MP, a supposed pillar of the establishment, would openly endorse such ludicrous theories in parliament and I hope he can come up with a convincing excuse or in my eyes he will become the pillock of the establishment.
PS The homeopath in Swaziland is Jacqueline Shearer should anyone want to ask her some questions.
*update*
February 20, 2008 at 2:55 pm
Nice one.
And you got cunt in there too, maximum kudos.
February 20, 2008 at 2:56 pm
What was that about Jedis?
February 20, 2008 at 5:47 pm
Great post. I liked your clearly laid out use of point and cunterpoint.
February 20, 2008 at 5:57 pm
Nice.I would write to my MP,but my MP is David Amess…he of Chris Morris’ “cake” fame.That numbnut is so easily taken in he’s probably a paid up CAM member.
February 20, 2008 at 6:09 pm
The Jedi comparison is genius Gimpy. I may have to steal it.
February 20, 2008 at 6:35 pm
I posted on badscience about the unpublished and unpeer-reviewed study Tredinnick claims shows “a convincing reduction in malaria”. (http://www.d-n-h.org/Neem%20Report.pdf)
Not only can it not show any such thing because no-one bothered checking if anyone had malaria in the first place, it was a small, open-labelled, uncontrolled, unblinded study reliant on historical recollection of possible “malaria” in study participants who lived in an area where seasonal fluctuations in malaria incidence occur and where any fool could predict that malaria transmission might be reduced after the end of the rainy season.
It also consisted of an underhand attempt to see if neem could sterilise the local women. I doubt that was in the consent forms, somehow (if they ever had any to start with).
February 20, 2008 at 6:47 pm
The old “freedom of choice” cannard is trotted out. But of course if this was applied to food, then I would be allowed to sell rotten meat, in the interests of choice of course.
February 20, 2008 at 7:50 pm
It’s odd that a MP can say any old bollocks in the House, including outright lies (e.g. the existance of 130 trials), but because none of the other MPs have a clue either he apparently gets away with it. There ought to be some action that can be taken.
February 20, 2008 at 10:18 pm
And he’s confused herbal with homeopathic. It’s plausible that the Kenyan herbal remedy had some effect. Quinine was originally a herbal remedy. What is completely implausible is that African herbalists would have used West European magic in the preparation of remedies. Tredinnick is a stupid dangerous fuckwit.
February 20, 2008 at 11:53 pm
“The House of Commons starts its proceedings with a prayer. The chaplain looks at the assembled members with their varied intelligence and then prays for the country.” - Lord Denning.
February 22, 2008 at 2:18 am
Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant. I can’t stop laughing. Your comparison of CAM and Jedi as a false belief. Priceless.
February 22, 2008 at 7:03 am
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February 22, 2008 at 8:33 am
Nash,
You are perfectly free to eat rotten meat, but I’m not allowed to sell it to you, nor can you expect the government to buy it for you, and if I started going round trying to persuade credulous people (read mugs) that rotten meat and only rotten meat was good for you (and I just happen to have some in this box, knock-down price) I would probably be locked up. But sprinkle a bit of sciency stuff about and it all becomes to hard to think about.
February 22, 2008 at 2:27 pm
Tredinnick said that the Royal Hoe Hospital was seeing 25,000 patients and out patients a year. which at first seems a lot, but this is only about a 100 a day, which for a major hospital is not much.
February 23, 2008 at 11:12 am
Interesting anecdote about the origin of Homeopathy on the NHS - because Nye Bevan used it; not because of any evidence or anything.
BTW Someon told me that rotten meat contains antioxidants & omega 3.
February 23, 2008 at 7:17 pm
“BTW Someon told me that rotten meat contains antioxidants & omega 3.”
Great, that’s all the evidence I need to start selling it.
February 26, 2008 at 5:49 pm
Fantastic article.
I was genuinely slack-jawed reading his original statement; I know there are plenty of people out there willing to buy into this nonsense, but that an MP should stand up and actually say that, on record….? I despair, frankly.
February 26, 2008 at 8:35 pm
Is there no way you (or we) could attract the attention of the Speaker of the House, and point out that this MP deliberately lied to Parliament, and is unfit to be trusted with a bog-brush, let alone public office?
February 26, 2008 at 9:12 pm
G. Tingey is it deliberate though? Mr Tredinnick may just be a bit thick and be quoting verbatim from a briefing document that he lacks the intelligence to see just how ludicrous it is.
February 27, 2008 at 1:27 pm
Ahh the arrogance!!…..If you discount improved sanitary conditions and a clean water supply the life extention for Britons has advanced one year for those who reach 70 in 150 years of allopathic ‘advancement.’
The arrogance of a scientific/medical elite who believe pumping a child full of countless vaccines isn’t going to impact on his long term health. There haven’t been any double blind studies proving the safety of this rabidly insane experimentation.
You can see like cures like in the writings of Hippocrates, Goethe, Shakespeare; some of the greatest minds known to man.
Regarding the A level standard of scientific repudiation of homeopathic dilution ie the Avogadro number limit, well Quantum physics and beyond that relativistic physics has already devastated that argument.
Finally it’s the 200 years of clinical practice that proves the efficacy of Homeopathy. The current allopathic hatred runs directly parallel to its resurgence. Ben Goldacre is an interesting character. Doesn’t he claim to be a junior doctor in an NHS hospital??
Not really though is he. The guy is a fraud. Naturally he’s an Oxbridge graduate so he’s an establishment clone. He has been linked to many hard left causes and groups including the marxist demos group including the son of a marxist professor and now Foreign secretary Miliband (the mind boggles).
What qualifications does Goldacre actually have?….He’s reached an MA in philosophy….philosophy?? (funded by the Royal Academy (ditto OSI, DTI!)….and this makes him an expert on anything of note?
Doesn’t he also have links to Prof.Colquhoun and UCL Big Pharma? Hasn’t he won awards funded by Glaxo Welcome and Syngenta? (Do I hear Doll and Monsanto Agent orange)The plot thickens. Wasn’t sense about science set up by a Bilderberger ‘Dicky Taverne’ and supermarketeer par numero uno John Sainsbury; a Bliar adviser. The plot thickens further. Also isn’t the BBC science correspondent Pallab Ghosh a member too. Curiouser and curiouser.
Goldacre is currently studying for a Phd at King’s college at the institute of Psychiatry. He is a junior reseracher for Simon Wessely; advisor to the Science Media Centre and on the Advisory panel of
the US American Council on Science and Health, one of the most
heavily funded pro industry lobby groups in the world. I understand Wessely is one of the chief deniers of environmental illness. The sort who denies the existance of gulf war syndrome; a man after Sir Richard (agent orange) Doll’s heart if you will.
The IOP receives huge amounts in donation from the big pharmaceutical giants thus nailing Goldacre directly to vested interests who are naturally hell bent on destroying public choice in health and well being.
Goldacre is a fraud.
I wonder why…..why are there people so enamoured with power, with prestige and status that they would attempt to deny public choice. Why are there individuals so hell bent on homogenising the planet. Like all elements in our degenerate western society from the war on drugs to the fascist formation of the European union there will be no exemption from the stalinist state that we are entering at our peril. Just remember there are men and women who will NEVER be broken. Mark my words.
February 28, 2008 at 2:49 am
Ahh the arrogance!!…..If you discount improved sanitary conditions and a clean water supply the life extention for Britons has advanced one year for those who reach 70 in 150 years of allopathic ‘advancement.’
But sanitation is based upon the scientific version of germ theory.
Advance for homeopathy in this respect alone is 0 years.
February 28, 2008 at 10:31 am
“The arrogance of a scientific/medical elite who believe pumping a child full of countless vaccines isn’t going to impact on his long term health.”
Of course vaccines impact on your long term health, for instance not getting measles, mumps, rubella, smallpox, TB, whooping cough or polio.
February 28, 2008 at 1:17 pm
Ah! Good to see the homeopath apologists resorting to ad hom in the absence of any compelling evidence. Jolly well done Like Cures Like, keep up the good work!
February 28, 2008 at 3:04 pm
Like Cures Like
Ben Goldacre is a registered doctor, he has been since 2001.
You can check on the General Medical Councils website at
http://www.gmc-uk.org/register/search/index.asp#
February 29, 2008 at 12:38 am
Anyone with a cursory knowledge of vaccinations can see the incidences of all those infectious diseases had dropped to insignificant numbers way way way way before the introduction of vaccines; all because of improved sanitation.
Regarding the notification of all medical bodies. When they declare the rewards far outweigh the risks scientific reason goes flying out of the window because there is never and never has been a comparative study with any other procedure let alone with unvaccinated children. Nothing. Zilch. It makes all research worthless. Lol
Oh by the way we now have the United States government compensating a child for being diagnosed with autism as a direct result of vaccination. It’s a ground breaking judgement. It’s there in black and white. It’s a big story.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kirby/government-concedes-vacci_b_88323.html
Of course if you look at why perverted individuals like Bill Gates are so interested in vaccination whole continents like Africa we enter some deeply disturbing and murky water.
All the evidence needed on why vaccines are deadly is here.
http://whale.to/vaccines.html
By the way Blair never did say whether his horrifically ugly children were vaccinated, did he?
February 29, 2008 at 8:55 am
“Anyone with a cursory knowledge of vaccinations can see the incidences of all those infectious diseases had dropped to insignificant numbers way way way way before the introduction of vaccines; all because of improved sanitation.”
But sanitation is not a homeopathic idea.
February 29, 2008 at 7:49 pm
“Like Cures Like” - ahh the stupidity. I have no further comment on the comments.
Well said Gimpy. Ben G wrote the Hon Member a very polite letter, you should write him a more direct one.
February 29, 2008 at 11:52 pm
In denial RNB. Let me explain go find me the vaccine for scarlet fever; a once virulent killer. Oh there isn’t one? How strange. My word. Then look at the graph of its demise through the twentieth century. It mirrors measles, rubella etc etc.
An unvaccinated infectious disease yet its demise mirrors exactly the demise of the vaccinated diseases. Elementary.
Case closed. Our children are certainly not being pumped full of filth for their own benefit.
March 1, 2008 at 12:37 am
@Like cure Like
You are a troll.
Using whale.to to back up your arguements is obvious.
Do I win points, and does Like cure Like win a Billy Goat?
March 1, 2008 at 2:35 pm
Is likecureslike for real, or…. are we witnessing the creation of a new life form, spawned entirely from internet chatrooms and conspiracy web-sites…
March 1, 2008 at 3:36 pm
Nope, he’s real. He’s a homeopath from London or something.
March 1, 2008 at 5:36 pm
The graphs tell the tale. I noticed none of you can come up with a reason why the unvaccinated against scarlet fever graph matches the fall in incidences of measles, rubella etc etc.
I don’t expect an answer naturally because the explanation is just too hard to stomach for the medical profession. It’s the skeleton in the cupboard and it’s not going away.
March 1, 2008 at 5:48 pm
“Regarding the A level standard of scientific repudiation of homeopathic dilution ie the Avogadro number limit, well Quantum physics and beyond that relativistic physics has already devastated that argument.”
Heh! There certainly would be a lot of devastation if quantum physics and relativity were ever shown to fail to conform to the world described in your average A level physics textbook as rudely as homeopathic dilution does.
If you homeopaths are looking for some ‘theory’ sufficiently unconstrained by reality that it can be used to back up your absurd nonsense, try the Occult and Witchcraft sections of your library. You won’t find what you’re looking for in modern physics.
March 1, 2008 at 7:26 pm
Scarlet Fever can be cured with anti-biotics. As sufferers are cured, there are less of them to pass the infection on. Also it could be possible that the strain that is being wiped out is the more virilent strain ie the less virilent strain may be the one that has higher resistence to anti-biotics.
Whatever the explanation is, it is nothing to do with homeopathy. Are homeopaths even trying to find out why?
As regards Quantum Mechanics (not physics), it actually shows that the claims for homeopathy do not exist.
March 2, 2008 at 8:06 pm
Lol. Trouble with your lidicrously innacurate theory Nash is that 90% of the total decline in the death rate of children between 1860-1965 because of scarlet fever alongside whooping cough, diptheria, measles etc occured before the introduction of immunisations yet alone ANTIBIOTICS!
A basic studying of the graphs even a 5 year old could grasp is the decline since immunisation mirrors the expected decline you would expect. It’s a no brainer.
Immunisation; The greatest experimentation ever conducted on our species and there have been ZERO trials done that compare with the unvaccinated. Human guinea pigs experimented on by demented scientists with no morality. How can any of you allopathic quacks claim to have erradicated these diseases when the evidence proves how ludicrous a claim that is? Incredible.
Regarding cutting edge science confirming the veracity of homeopathy.
HORMESIS; In the field of toxicology this well known and documented phenomenon details how a substance showing hormesis has the property that it has the opposite effect in small doses, than in large doses.
EPITAXIS; This phenomenon is used in the industrial manufacture of semiconductors for microprocessors. Epitaxy refers to the transfer of structural information from one substance to another, which can happen at the interface between the two substances. This transfer of structure information can remain after the original substance has disappeared from the system.
How about the experiments using the light emission spectrum (Raman and Ultra-Violet-Visible spectroscopy) of homeopathic water vs normal water have shown that homeopathically prepared water has a different molecular structure than normal water.
There’s Benveniste of course (a man definitely not after your own hearts being a maverick and all) . I believe his results on Avogadro’s number have been replicated elsewhere. This despite the scandalous James Randi leading him to an early grave.
You see real cutting edge science is proving the efficacy of Homeopathic dilution. Naturally flat earthers like yourselves are always going to try and ‘dilute’ the message and destroy but then again who remembers the flat earthers?
March 2, 2008 at 10:38 pm
HORMESIS; In the field of toxicology this well known and documented phenomenon details how a substance showing hormesis has the property that it has the opposite effect in small doses, than in large doses.
This as you said applies in small doses, not non-existant doses.
This is not Quantum Mechanics which you explictley quoted as supporting homeopathic theory
“EPITAXIS; This phenomenon is used in the industrial manufacture of semiconductors for microprocessors. Epitaxy refers to the transfer of structural information from one substance to another, which can happen at the interface between the two substances. This transfer of structure information can remain after the original substance has disappeared from the system.”
Again measureable amounts of both substances are involved. Epitaxis involves a chemical reaction that causes crystals of one substance to grow on another. What this means that part of a substance reacts out and transfer to another.
see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epitaxis for examples of some of the chemical reactions involved.
For example if you eat something, your body breaks it down into other substances. Some of these are used by your body, others are excreted. The original food no longer exists. But in all cases there is measureable amounts of any substance to start with, and to finish with.
If the chemicals used in micro-processor manufacture such as gallium nitride, where diluted to 30C then you would not be able to make any processors at all.
Again this is not Quantum Mechanics which you said supported homeopathic theory.
“How about the experiments using the light emission spectrum (Raman and Ultra-Violet-Visible spectroscopy) of homeopathic water vs normal water have shown that homeopathically prepared water has a different molecular structure than normal water.”
I can’t find any references to these, but as your comments about Ben Goldacre show, you are not above making thing up and telling outright lies.
“There’s Benveniste of course (a man definitely not after your own hearts being a maverick and all) . I believe his results on Avogadro’s number have been replicated elsewhere. This despite the scandalous James Randi leading him to an early grave.”
So no Homeopathy did him no good either. But being funded by Big Quacka, what do you expect?
“You see real cutting edge science is proving the efficacy of Homeopathic dilution.”
No it isn’t.
“Naturally flat earthers like yourselves are always going to try and ‘dilute’ the message and destroy but then again who remembers the flat earthers?”
You remember them.
In January a Homeopath told me that if I gave a homeopathic remedy to someone it wouldn’t work because I am not a “trained homeopath”. How can water do this?
March 3, 2008 at 12:22 am
“Regarding cutting edge science confirming the veracity of homeopathy.”
Neither hormesis nor epitaxy have any relevance whatsoever to homeopathic dilution. One doesn’t even need a science A level to see that - let alone a grasp of “cutting edge” science.
No experiments have ever shown a difference between plain water and magic homeopathic water (at least not in a way that supports the claims of homeopathy). Poorly controlled, executed and interpreted experiments do not show anything.
In fact the clownish attempts by some homeopathy ‘researchers’ (believers would be a better term) to reproduce Benveniste’s results have provided us with a lesson in how not to do science:
http://xrl.us/bbjvd (science)
http://xrl.us/bbjvf (cargo cult science)
“Naturally flat earthers like yourselves are always going to try and ‘dilute’ the message and destroy”
Actually I’m a hollow earther, and thanks to the diffeomorphism invariance of GR, I need not be ashamed of it!
March 3, 2008 at 8:37 am
This comment is from here on DC’s blog and is worth reproducing.
Lucia Sivilotti // Mar 3, 2008 at 7:28 am
A few facts about smallpox.
Alas it is untrue that smallpox was eliminated by sanitation. Smallpox is like flu, it spreads by the respiratory route- basically you get infected if you breathe near a sick person (who shed virus as they cough and from their skin sores). You can be as clean as you like and live in the most wonderful airy and healthy environment - that does not change your likelihood of coming down with the disease if you are exposed.
Equally, being malnourished or unfit certainly doesn’t help anyone faced with a serious disease, infectious or otherwise, but being healthy and well-fed does not save you from dying of smallpox if you catch it. It is not a disease that spares the prince and kills the pauper, as demonstrated by the numbers the disease killed in the royal families of early modern Europe (see
Princes and Peasants: Smallpox in History by Donald R. Hopkins, University of Chicago Press 1985)
If sanitation worked, you would expect smallpox to spread less and/or to be less lethal in very recent times (say 1960’s Europe) than in the Victorian era, or in the poorer countries. This is not true: in twentieth-century Europe, each case of smallpox infected on average between 3.5 and 5 people (Gani & Leach, Nature 414, 748). You may be interested to know that in 1970 in a German hospital (pretty sanitary places, believe me), a smallpox patient with a cough, although isolated in a single room, infected persons on 3 floors see refs in http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/281/22/2127. This sort of infectiousness is enough to produce nasty epidemics.
So what about the smallpox eradication project? Are you suggesting that it worked by improving sanitation in the Third World rather than by vaccination? That beggars belief.
Take India: in 1974 there were 188,003 cases. In January 1975 there were 1010 and in March, 84. The last case there was in May 1975 (numbers from Hugh Pennington’s Smallpox Scares, London Review of Books, available free at http://www.lrb.co.uk/v24/n17/penn01_.html
Was that the sudden onset of sanitation? Were the poor of India suddenly well fed and properly housed? If only!
Of course, smallpox vaccine is probably the least safe of all vaccines- but average mortality is 30% for variola major, and no antiviral substances have yet proved effective for the treatment of smallpox (see JAMA http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/281/22/2127) so if we were again faced with this disease, we’d be back to vaccines, believe me.
May 24, 2008 at 11:53 am
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