Comments on: BANT consider profit more important than ethics http://gimpyblog.wordpress.com/2008/04/21/bant-are-the-lapdogs-of-supplement-shyster/ inane witterings and badscience Thu, 07 Aug 2008 23:07:32 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU By: jdc325 http://gimpyblog.wordpress.com/2008/04/21/bant-are-the-lapdogs-of-supplement-shyster/#comment-2200 jdc325 Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:11:34 +0000 http://gimpyblog.wordpress.com/?p=78#comment-2200 "Their sales training takes place at arch-pill salesman’s college, the Institute of Optimum Nutrition, and then they are sent out into the world to peddle pills and receive their commissions. Utter corruption." It's a good way to perpetuate the myths of nutritionism isn't it? Charge people for 'training' (The Nutritional Therapy Diploma Course at ION costs £3,450.00), then they have to recoup the money they've laid out. The obvious way to recoup the cash is to set up as a (paid) Nut. Therapist and flog supplements for commission. You see similar situations in other forms of woo - and once someone has sold you a training course in reiki or crystal healing you either have to write-off the money you've spent and chalk it up to experience or use your education in woo to make money to pay for the 'training' you've received. “Their sales training takes place at arch-pill salesman’s college, the Institute of Optimum Nutrition, and then they are sent out into the world to peddle pills and receive their commissions. Utter corruption.”
It’s a good way to perpetuate the myths of nutritionism isn’t it? Charge people for ‘training’ (The Nutritional Therapy Diploma Course at ION costs £3,450.00), then they have to recoup the money they’ve laid out. The obvious way to recoup the cash is to set up as a (paid) Nut. Therapist and flog supplements for commission.

You see similar situations in other forms of woo - and once someone has sold you a training course in reiki or crystal healing you either have to write-off the money you’ve spent and chalk it up to experience or use your education in woo to make money to pay for the ‘training’ you’ve received.

]]> By: gimpy http://gimpyblog.wordpress.com/2008/04/21/bant-are-the-lapdogs-of-supplement-shyster/#comment-2192 gimpy Wed, 23 Apr 2008 07:24:21 +0000 http://gimpyblog.wordpress.com/?p=78#comment-2192 Andy, indeed the ION and BANT are a well oiled commercial machine. I just hope our lawmakers and the fourth estate work this out and devise suitable legislation and critical appraisal to prevent these organisations continuing to fleece customers under the guise of concerned practitioners. Andy, indeed the ION and BANT are a well oiled commercial machine. I just hope our lawmakers and the fourth estate work this out and devise suitable legislation and critical appraisal to prevent these organisations continuing to fleece customers under the guise of concerned practitioners.

]]> By: Andy Lewis http://gimpyblog.wordpress.com/2008/04/21/bant-are-the-lapdogs-of-supplement-shyster/#comment-2191 Andy Lewis Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:43:37 +0000 http://gimpyblog.wordpress.com/?p=78#comment-2191 There does look like there is a complete chain now to show that the 'profession' of nutritional therapist is nothing other than a sales force for neutraceuticals. Their sales training takes place at arch-pill salesman's college, the Institute of Optimum Nutrition, and then they are sent out into the world to peddle pills and receive their commissions. Utter corruption. There does look like there is a complete chain now to show that the ‘profession’ of nutritional therapist is nothing other than a sales force for neutraceuticals. Their sales training takes place at arch-pill salesman’s college, the Institute of Optimum Nutrition, and then they are sent out into the world to peddle pills and receive their commissions. Utter corruption.

]]> By: Evidencebasedeating http://gimpyblog.wordpress.com/2008/04/21/bant-are-the-lapdogs-of-supplement-shyster/#comment-2190 Evidencebasedeating Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:13:59 +0000 http://gimpyblog.wordpress.com/?p=78#comment-2190 Excellent review, Gimpy. My patients are commonly surprised when I don't suggest they take pseudoscientific allergy tests and also decline to sell them supplements - recommending (if necessary) a couple of versions of the relevant supplement available on 'free sale' in any chemists etc. And liaising with their GP if I think they'd benefit from some further investigations. It seems patients feel 'cheated' that I can help them with dietary choices without, usually, resorting to those little 'extras' that 'help' the woo nutritionist try to work out what the hell is going on with their client, and generate a fast buck on the back of the titchy 'first appointment' cost... It often seems that a 'free' NHS consultation from a legally regulated RD is somehow inferior to £1000+ of useless tests/supplements/(green) tea and empathy at some bogus therapy centre or Institute. Excellent review, Gimpy.

My patients are commonly surprised when I don’t suggest they take pseudoscientific allergy tests and also decline to sell them supplements - recommending (if necessary) a couple of versions of the relevant supplement available on ‘free sale’ in any chemists etc. And liaising with their GP if I think they’d benefit from some further investigations.

It seems patients feel ‘cheated’ that I can help them with dietary choices without, usually, resorting to those little ‘extras’ that ‘help’ the woo nutritionist try to work out what the hell is going on with their client, and generate a fast buck on the back of the titchy ‘first appointment’ cost…

It often seems that a ‘free’ NHS consultation from a legally regulated RD is somehow inferior to £1000+ of useless tests/supplements/(green) tea and empathy at some bogus therapy centre or Institute.

]]> By: jdc325 http://gimpyblog.wordpress.com/2008/04/21/bant-are-the-lapdogs-of-supplement-shyster/#comment-2189 jdc325 Tue, 22 Apr 2008 07:37:41 +0000 http://gimpyblog.wordpress.com/?p=78#comment-2189 Excellent post Gimpy. I reckon there's enough unethical behaviour in the supplements industry to warrant a book. Excellent post Gimpy. I reckon there’s enough unethical behaviour in the supplements industry to warrant a book.

]]> By: bengoldacre http://gimpyblog.wordpress.com/2008/04/21/bant-are-the-lapdogs-of-supplement-shyster/#comment-2186 bengoldacre Mon, 21 Apr 2008 21:25:01 +0000 http://gimpyblog.wordpress.com/?p=78#comment-2186 the official sanctioning of these backhanders from the food supplement pill industry is truly astonishing, with these kinds of ethical conflicts it's no surprise that they can't make their minds up whether they are a "regulator" or not. as i understand it any doctor getting these kinds of backhanders from a pill company for prescriptions would be up in front of the GMC. this level of commercial duplicitousness in healthcare really is very concerning, and it throws nutritionists' infantile conspiratorial accusations at other healthcare professionals over imaginary conflicts of interest into very sharp relief. the official sanctioning of these backhanders from the food supplement pill industry is truly astonishing, with these kinds of ethical conflicts it’s no surprise that they can’t make their minds up whether they are a “regulator” or not.

as i understand it any doctor getting these kinds of backhanders from a pill company for prescriptions would be up in front of the GMC.

this level of commercial duplicitousness in healthcare really is very concerning, and it throws nutritionists’ infantile conspiratorial accusations at other healthcare professionals over imaginary conflicts of interest into very sharp relief.

]]> By: jaycueaitch http://gimpyblog.wordpress.com/2008/04/21/bant-are-the-lapdogs-of-supplement-shyster/#comment-2185 jaycueaitch Mon, 21 Apr 2008 20:51:00 +0000 http://gimpyblog.wordpress.com/?p=78#comment-2185 Excellent digging Excellent digging

]]> By: BANT and Conflict of Interest: YorkTest and Similar Commission « Holford Watch: Patrick Holford, nutritionism and bad science http://gimpyblog.wordpress.com/2008/04/21/bant-are-the-lapdogs-of-supplement-shyster/#comment-2184 BANT and Conflict of Interest: YorkTest and Similar Commission « Holford Watch: Patrick Holford, nutritionism and bad science Mon, 21 Apr 2008 20:11:27 +0000 http://gimpyblog.wordpress.com/?p=78#comment-2184 [...] Update: Gimpy asks whether BANT consider profit profit more important than ethics [...] [...] Update: Gimpy asks whether BANT consider profit profit more important than ethics [...]

]]> By: woodchopper http://gimpyblog.wordpress.com/2008/04/21/bant-are-the-lapdogs-of-supplement-shyster/#comment-2183 woodchopper Mon, 21 Apr 2008 20:10:02 +0000 http://gimpyblog.wordpress.com/?p=78#comment-2183 Wow, so they get paid to push pills to their patients. A great investigation Mr Gimp. Wow, so they get paid to push pills to their patients. A great investigation Mr Gimp.

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