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		<title>By: Dr Aust</title>
		<link>http://gimpyblog.wordpress.com/2008/04/28/homeopath-says-its-patients-fault-they-are-ill/#comment-2236</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr Aust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the recommendation, Claire.

Talking of elves / elfs ... have no great problem with people believing in whatever they want on their own time / dime.

What I object to is when loonies like the homeopaths demand that they should get this claptrap on the National 'Elf Service/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the recommendation, Claire.</p>
<p>Talking of elves / elfs &#8230; have no great problem with people believing in whatever they want on their own time / dime.</p>
<p>What I object to is when loonies like the homeopaths demand that they should get this claptrap on the National &#8216;Elf Service/</p>
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		<title>By: Claire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Claire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr Aust's post on 'peer reviewed' altmed journals is well worth reading esp. for those without third level science education (such as I) who might be bamboozled into thinking that because a piece of research has been published in a peer reviewed journal, it must be kosher. This is a trick I feel Sense about Science missed in their pamphlet on peer review - http://www.senseaboutscience.org.uk/pdf/ShortPeerReviewGuide.pdf

'Is it peer reviewed?' is a start, but what kind of peers? what quality journal?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr Aust&#8217;s post on &#8216;peer reviewed&#8217; altmed journals is well worth reading esp. for those without third level science education (such as I) who might be bamboozled into thinking that because a piece of research has been published in a peer reviewed journal, it must be kosher. This is a trick I feel Sense about Science missed in their pamphlet on peer review - <a href="http://www.senseaboutscience.org.uk/pdf/ShortPeerReviewGuide.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.senseaboutscience.org.uk/pdf/ShortPeerReviewGuide.pdf</a></p>
<p>&#8216;Is it peer reviewed?&#8217; is a start, but what kind of peers? what quality journal?</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Aust</title>
		<link>http://gimpyblog.wordpress.com/2008/04/28/homeopath-says-its-patients-fault-they-are-ill/#comment-2234</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr Aust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:32:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Draust, unbelievably and beyond parody, Liz Lalor has apparently written essays on the personalities of Tolkein’s characters from a homeopathic perspective.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Good grief.... Sadly (or perhaps thankfully, since I wouldn't really want to think my Univ library was paying money to subscribe to this) I can't access the "full text article"... though it is published by a respectable academic publishing house. But simply the idea is.... well, beyond parody, as you say.

Of course, it is just another example of the inadvertently comic high seriousness with which homeopaths regard their cult. The "Emperor's New Clothes", in spades.

The real eye-waterer is that this is listed as an actual "journal", though it is really a collection of essays about homeopathy, written needless to say by enthusiasts.
  
Sometimes I find it hard to disagree with the proposition that "there are too many academic journals".  I once had a Head of Department whose mantra about academic science journals was:

&lt;blockquote&gt;"Do you publish in [one of] the top two hundred journals... or [one of] the BOTTOM TWO THOUSAND?"&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Of course, this was really an RAE "try harder you slackers" message, and I thought he was a hectoring bully. But in the context of AltMed loonery and the &lt;a href="http://draust.wordpress.com/2007/11/15/journals-of-alternative-medicine-insufficient-scepticism-cargo-cult-science/" rel="nofollow"&gt;proliferation of journals devoted to it&lt;/a&gt; the idea takes on a different significance.

I imagine that since he was telling us this (a decade plus ago) the total number of journals has increased substantially, so it is probably "...the bottom &lt;i&gt;four&lt;/i&gt; thousand" by now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Draust, unbelievably and beyond parody, Liz Lalor has apparently written essays on the personalities of Tolkein’s characters from a homeopathic perspective.</p></blockquote>
<p>Good grief&#8230;. Sadly (or perhaps thankfully, since I wouldn&#8217;t really want to think my Univ library was paying money to subscribe to this) I can&#8217;t access the &#8220;full text article&#8221;&#8230; though it is published by a respectable academic publishing house. But simply the idea is&#8230;. well, beyond parody, as you say.</p>
<p>Of course, it is just another example of the inadvertently comic high seriousness with which homeopaths regard their cult. The &#8220;Emperor&#8217;s New Clothes&#8221;, in spades.</p>
<p>The real eye-waterer is that this is listed as an actual &#8220;journal&#8221;, though it is really a collection of essays about homeopathy, written needless to say by enthusiasts.</p>
<p>Sometimes I find it hard to disagree with the proposition that &#8220;there are too many academic journals&#8221;.  I once had a Head of Department whose mantra about academic science journals was:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Do you publish in [one of] the top two hundred journals&#8230; or [one of] the BOTTOM TWO THOUSAND?&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Of course, this was really an RAE &#8220;try harder you slackers&#8221; message, and I thought he was a hectoring bully. But in the context of AltMed loonery and the <a href="http://draust.wordpress.com/2007/11/15/journals-of-alternative-medicine-insufficient-scepticism-cargo-cult-science/" rel="nofollow">proliferation of journals devoted to it</a> the idea takes on a different significance.</p>
<p>I imagine that since he was telling us this (a decade plus ago) the total number of journals has increased substantially, so it is probably &#8220;&#8230;the bottom <i>four</i> thousand&#8221; by now.</p>
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		<title>By: Claire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Claire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 08:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Star Wars for academics" haha!

to paraphrase (reportedly) Hugo Dyson:

"Oh, fuck! Not another light sabre!"

I think my wrong attitude is probably incurable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Star Wars for academics&#8221; haha!</p>
<p>to paraphrase (reportedly) Hugo Dyson:</p>
<p>&#8220;Oh, fuck! Not another light sabre!&#8221;</p>
<p>I think my wrong attitude is probably incurable.</p>
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		<title>By: gimpy</title>
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		<dc:creator>gimpy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 08:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Claire, I suspect you are approaching it with the wrong attitude.  While it is undeniably an impressive feat of intellect and story telling in its inspired fusion of Anglo-Saxon, Norse and Celtic mythologies to create a modern mythos with an admirably academic attention to detail in creating languages and histories it is best approached as Star Wars for academics.  
Like Star Wars, and for that matter Wagner's Ring Cycle, it best approached with an admiration for bombast and bluster and a willingness to overlook the cardboard characterisation, the clunky dialogue and interminable poetic interludes (which no doubt inspired much of the clunk in the second Star Wars trilogy).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Claire, I suspect you are approaching it with the wrong attitude.  While it is undeniably an impressive feat of intellect and story telling in its inspired fusion of Anglo-Saxon, Norse and Celtic mythologies to create a modern mythos with an admirably academic attention to detail in creating languages and histories it is best approached as Star Wars for academics.<br />
Like Star Wars, and for that matter Wagner&#8217;s Ring Cycle, it best approached with an admiration for bombast and bluster and a willingness to overlook the cardboard characterisation, the clunky dialogue and interminable poetic interludes (which no doubt inspired much of the clunk in the second Star Wars trilogy).</p>
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		<title>By: Claire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Claire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 08:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm afraid I have to out myself as one of those who simply couldn't get on with Lord of the Rings, my response being similar to that attributed to Hugo Dyson http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/The_Lord_of_the_Rings :

"On one memorable occasion a small group had gathered in Lewis's rooms and were listening to Tolkien read the last installment of The Lord of the Rings. They were sitting there puffing on pipes and sipping tea when Hugo Dyson, who had been lounging on a sofa and growing increasingly bored with the proceedings, suddenly exclaimed: "Oh, fuck! Not another elf!"

    * As quoted in C.S. Lewis: Creator of Narnia (2005) by Michael White, p. 152</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m afraid I have to out myself as one of those who simply couldn&#8217;t get on with Lord of the Rings, my response being similar to that attributed to Hugo Dyson <a href="http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/The_Lord_of_the_Rings" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/The_Lord_of_the_Rings</a> :</p>
<p>&#8220;On one memorable occasion a small group had gathered in Lewis&#8217;s rooms and were listening to Tolkien read the last installment of The Lord of the Rings. They were sitting there puffing on pipes and sipping tea when Hugo Dyson, who had been lounging on a sofa and growing increasingly bored with the proceedings, suddenly exclaimed: &#8220;Oh, fuck! Not another elf!&#8221;</p>
<p>    * As quoted in C.S. Lewis: Creator of Narnia (2005) by Michael White, p. 152</p>
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		<title>By: gimpy</title>
		<link>http://gimpyblog.wordpress.com/2008/04/28/homeopath-says-its-patients-fault-they-are-ill/#comment-2230</link>
		<dc:creator>gimpy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 07:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But homeopaths, indeed CAM practitioners in general, simply accept without question anything that any other homeopath tells them to be true.&lt;/i&gt;

and disregard without question anything a critic tells them to be is false.  
It really is like arguing with the more dogmatic religious types.

Draust, unbelievably and beyond parody, Liz Lalor has &lt;a href="http://www.thieme-connect.com/ejournals/abstract/HL/doi/10.1055/s-2006-924682;jsessionid=06170A256C3157796BDE9E1942CDC3F9.jvm3" rel="nofollow"&gt;apparently written essays on the personalities of Tolkein's characters&lt;/a&gt; from a homeopathic perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But homeopaths, indeed CAM practitioners in general, simply accept without question anything that any other homeopath tells them to be true.</i></p>
<p>and disregard without question anything a critic tells them to be is false.<br />
It really is like arguing with the more dogmatic religious types.</p>
<p>Draust, unbelievably and beyond parody, Liz Lalor has <a href="http://www.thieme-connect.com/ejournals/abstract/HL/doi/10.1055/s-2006-924682;jsessionid=06170A256C3157796BDE9E1942CDC3F9.jvm3" rel="nofollow">apparently written essays on the personalities of Tolkein&#8217;s characters</a> from a homeopathic perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: M Simpson</title>
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		<dc:creator>M Simpson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 07:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“…challenge to all homoeopaths is to find me a patient with a serious illness - whether it is Mental, Emotional or Physical - who does not believe they have caused their own demise.”

That should be a fairly easy challenge. But of course no homeopath will take it because homeopaths never argue with each other. In any real scientific discipline, a challenge along those lines would have people rushing to their notes and files to see whether they could prove this claim to be false. But homeopaths, indeed CAM practitioners in general, simply accept without question anything that any other homeopath tells them to be true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“…challenge to all homoeopaths is to find me a patient with a serious illness - whether it is Mental, Emotional or Physical - who does not believe they have caused their own demise.”</p>
<p>That should be a fairly easy challenge. But of course no homeopath will take it because homeopaths never argue with each other. In any real scientific discipline, a challenge along those lines would have people rushing to their notes and files to see whether they could prove this claim to be false. But homeopaths, indeed CAM practitioners in general, simply accept without question anything that any other homeopath tells them to be true.</p>
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		<title>By: Claire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Claire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 23:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm sure you're right, Dr Aust, but this kind of carelessness and inaccuracy irritates me and prompts uncharitable thoughts about the kind of thinking  - or lack of same - that produces such statements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;re right, Dr Aust, but this kind of carelessness and inaccuracy irritates me and prompts uncharitable thoughts about the kind of thinking  - or lack of same - that produces such statements.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Aust</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr Aust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess she means "downfall" rather than "death". Odd choice of word, though. It sounds even better in German - Untergang.

Talking of words, Whenever I hear homeopaths babbling about the "Simillimum", I can't help thinking of &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Silmarillion" rel="nofollow"&gt;Prof JRR Tolkien&lt;/a&gt;. Strangely appropriate in a way, since Tolkien was a devout Catholic and his works contain many of the same ideas about "healing through spiritual force" as Kentian-style homeopathy.

Of course, Tolkien's &lt;i&gt;oeuvre&lt;/i&gt;, while widely read and even taught in Universities, is an admitted work of &lt;i&gt;imagination&lt;/i&gt;. Whilst homeopathy is a work of imagination, but hasn't noticed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess she means &#8220;downfall&#8221; rather than &#8220;death&#8221;. Odd choice of word, though. It sounds even better in German - Untergang.</p>
<p>Talking of words, Whenever I hear homeopaths babbling about the &#8220;Simillimum&#8221;, I can&#8217;t help thinking of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Silmarillion" rel="nofollow">Prof JRR Tolkien</a>. Strangely appropriate in a way, since Tolkien was a devout Catholic and his works contain many of the same ideas about &#8220;healing through spiritual force&#8221; as Kentian-style homeopathy.</p>
<p>Of course, Tolkien&#8217;s <i>oeuvre</i>, while widely read and even taught in Universities, is an admitted work of <i>imagination</i>. Whilst homeopathy is a work of imagination, but hasn&#8217;t noticed.</p>
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