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	<title>Comments on: Homeopaths in sacka with Big Quacka - lacka ethics and evidence</title>
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	<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 23:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Claire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Claire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 08:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh dear, Gimpy, eczema can be pure misery &#38; those of us affected can be bombarded by tales of miracle-cure-by-CAM from well-meaning friends and family - miracle cures that fail to materialise, in my experience. Good luck &#38; hope this flare subsides quickly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh dear, Gimpy, eczema can be pure misery &amp; those of us affected can be bombarded by tales of miracle-cure-by-CAM from well-meaning friends and family - miracle cures that fail to materialise, in my experience. Good luck &amp; hope this flare subsides quickly.</p>
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		<title>By: gimpy</title>
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		<dc:creator>gimpy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 06:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Claire, thanks for those allergy links.  I'm currently in the middle of a rather painful flare-up of &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atopic_eczema" rel="nofollow"&gt;atopic dermatitis &lt;/a&gt; for which I have been prescribed a rather nasty corticosteroid cream.  I think I'll write a post comparing pharmaceutical  treatment with homeopathic treatment for this.  I'd love it if I could take a sugar pill to make it go away but unfortunately real medicine, with its attendant side effects, works through known mechanisms while homeopathy does not.  

Ben, it is indeed worrying that the predominant school of thought regarding strategy in CAM seems to be that it is better to insult and belittle your opponent while committing grave acts of hypocrisy rather than evidence and reason based debate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Claire, thanks for those allergy links.  I&#8217;m currently in the middle of a rather painful flare-up of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atopic_eczema" rel="nofollow">atopic dermatitis </a> for which I have been prescribed a rather nasty corticosteroid cream.  I think I&#8217;ll write a post comparing pharmaceutical  treatment with homeopathic treatment for this.  I&#8217;d love it if I could take a sugar pill to make it go away but unfortunately real medicine, with its attendant side effects, works through known mechanisms while homeopathy does not.  </p>
<p>Ben, it is indeed worrying that the predominant school of thought regarding strategy in CAM seems to be that it is better to insult and belittle your opponent while committing grave acts of hypocrisy rather than evidence and reason based debate.</p>
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		<title>By: pv</title>
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		<dc:creator>pv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 20:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Still no incontrovertible evidence for non-self-limiting lurgy then! That would be an excellent selling point, if only it existed. Instead we get a load of PR puffery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still no incontrovertible evidence for non-self-limiting lurgy then! That would be an excellent selling point, if only it existed. Instead we get a load of PR puffery.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Goldacre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Goldacre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 20:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's fascinating. While they make all these bizarre defamatory accusations that me and Colquhoun are in cahoots with Big Pharma, it turns out that they are hand in hand with the corporate manufacturing and distribution arm of the homeopathy pill industry. 

On the one hand it's shameless hypocrisy. But more interesting is that it demonstrates how they can only perceive the actions of others through the lens of their own values: for them, ideas can only be about money, and proving your favoured point of view. Fascinating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s fascinating. While they make all these bizarre defamatory accusations that me and Colquhoun are in cahoots with Big Pharma, it turns out that they are hand in hand with the corporate manufacturing and distribution arm of the homeopathy pill industry. </p>
<p>On the one hand it&#8217;s shameless hypocrisy. But more interesting is that it demonstrates how they can only perceive the actions of others through the lens of their own values: for them, ideas can only be about money, and proving your favoured point of view. Fascinating.</p>
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		<title>By: Claire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Claire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 19:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another reference for editors who might fall for the spurious  comparisons made frequently between homeopathy and allergen immunotherapy, from Steven Novella:
http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php?p=206

"...One argument often used by defenders of homeopathy is that they are analogous to allergy shots, which involve giving a small dose of a substance in order to cure an allergy to that same substance. During one of my lectures this argument was made to me by a fellow physician who is a believer in homeopathy. Allergy shots therefore seem to follow the laws of similars and infinitesimals. Superficially this analogy may seem compelling, but a closer look reveals that it is not legitimate..."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another reference for editors who might fall for the spurious  comparisons made frequently between homeopathy and allergen immunotherapy, from Steven Novella:<br />
<a href="http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php?p=206" rel="nofollow">http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php?p=206</a></p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;One argument often used by defenders of homeopathy is that they are analogous to allergy shots, which involve giving a small dose of a substance in order to cure an allergy to that same substance. During one of my lectures this argument was made to me by a fellow physician who is a believer in homeopathy. Allergy shots therefore seem to follow the laws of similars and infinitesimals. Superficially this analogy may seem compelling, but a closer look reveals that it is not legitimate&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Claire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Claire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 19:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good idea Nash - perhaps you could give the editor of your local newspaper this position statement on unorthodox tests &#38; treatments for allergies:
http://www.allergy.org.au/content/view/322/271/ 

or to this post (HoL Allergy Inquiry, evidence from SoH, Faculty of Homeopaths etc): http://breathspakids.blogspot.com/2007/03/discouraging-news-from-review-of.html#links : you can't revisit the 'only by the label' quote too often!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good idea Nash - perhaps you could give the editor of your local newspaper this position statement on unorthodox tests &amp; treatments for allergies:<br />
<a href="http://www.allergy.org.au/content/view/322/271/" rel="nofollow">http://www.allergy.org.au/content/view/322/271/</a> </p>
<p>or to this post (HoL Allergy Inquiry, evidence from SoH, Faculty of Homeopaths etc): <a href="http://breathspakids.blogspot.com/2007/03/discouraging-news-from-review-of.html#links" rel="nofollow">http://breathspakids.blogspot.com/2007/03/discouraging-news-from-review-of.html#links</a> : you can&#8217;t revisit the &#8216;only by the label&#8217; quote too often!</p>
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		<title>By: nash</title>
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		<dc:creator>nash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 18:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm writing to my local paper tonight</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m writing to my local paper tonight</p>
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		<title>By: gimpy</title>
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		<dc:creator>gimpy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 17:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm afraid the weasel words of homeopaths allows you to use the word cure if you don't claim to cure named diseases.  Here is the relevant section of their code:
Publicity and advertising
&lt;blockquote&gt;48 Advertisements, stationery and name plates maintain a high standard of propriety and
integrity to enhance the reputation of homeopathy.
• Advertising shall not contain claims of superiority.
• No advertising may be used which expressly or implicitly claims to cure named diseases.
• Advertising shall not be false, fraudulent, misleading, deceptive, extravagant or
sensational.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m afraid the weasel words of homeopaths allows you to use the word cure if you don&#8217;t claim to cure named diseases.  Here is the relevant section of their code:<br />
Publicity and advertising</p>
<blockquote><p>48 Advertisements, stationery and name plates maintain a high standard of propriety and<br />
integrity to enhance the reputation of homeopathy.<br />
• Advertising shall not contain claims of superiority.<br />
• No advertising may be used which expressly or implicitly claims to cure named diseases.<br />
• Advertising shall not be false, fraudulent, misleading, deceptive, extravagant or<br />
sensational.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: DT</title>
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		<dc:creator>DT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 16:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yup, it definitely mentions the "cure" word in the press release.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup, it definitely mentions the &#8220;cure&#8221; word in the press release.</p>
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		<title>By: Claire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Claire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 16:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"...make use of local or regional newspapers to print positive stories about homeopathy."

CAM 'positive stories' aka advertorials are standard fodder for local newspapers:I don't think I've ever read a CAM story in our local rags that isn't uncritically approving. As far as I'm aware, this kind of thing doesn't come under the ASA's remit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;make use of local or regional newspapers to print positive stories about homeopathy.&#8221;</p>
<p>CAM &#8216;positive stories&#8217; aka advertorials are standard fodder for local newspapers:I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve ever read a CAM story in our local rags that isn&#8217;t uncritically approving. As far as I&#8217;m aware, this kind of thing doesn&#8217;t come under the ASA&#8217;s remit.</p>
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