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Jeremy Sherr – a Rath in the making?

Posted by gimpy on January 11, 2009

Via Ben Goldacre’s miniblog I have come across this blog from the homeopath Jeremy Sherr.  Mr Sherr is a Fellow of the Society of Homeopaths (SoH), found and principal of the Dynamis homeopathic school and a subject of one my earliest blog posts.  That post was critical of Mr Sherr’s stated aims of carrying out trials investigating the effectiveness of homeopathy in treating AIDS and malaria.  This prompted me to email both Mr Sherr and the SoH  expressing concerns.  Mr Sherr did not reply although the SoH did stating that as he was a Fellow rather than a Member he was not bound by their code of conduct.  At that time Mr Sherr was only planning his trials, he is now carrying them out in Tanzania.

When I was in South Africa 5 years ago, we had designed a very complex trial together with the Nelson Mandela hospital in Durban. This trial had three arms; patients with homoeopathy and without ARV treatment, patients with homoeopathy and ARV treatment, and patients with ARVs alone (Placebo treatment is considered unethical in AIDS). It was a very comprehensive and well designed trial and it covered all the bases. And once the dean of the hospital resigned to go into the private sector, it was also a very dead trial. So I am happy to go for a simple trial initially, with one arm of AIDS patients with homoeopathy and no ARV. There are plenty of statistics on ARV treatment and patients with no treatment at all that we can compare to. If we can prove that homoeopathy has any positive effect at all, we can move on to bigger and better things.

As has been pointed out in the comments to Sherr’s blog post not only is the very concept of his trial unethical on grounds that homeopathy is implausible, depriving HIV+ people of ARVs harms their health but that the design is so flawed it will not reveal anything as there is no control group.  In my original post I drew attention to this quote from Mr Sherr concerning ethical approval for such experiments:

You have to find willing partners and get a protocol through an ethics committee, and you need to talk their language. I hope it will work but if not, I will just go and do it on a small scale myself – I am determined to do that.

Mr Sherr is incredibly arrogant and so convinced of the efficacy of homeopathy that he is prepared to step outside ethical strictures and submit terminally ill patients to his absurd trials.  This raises chilling parallels with Matthias Rath, the vitamin pill salesman whose rogue theories helped contribute to the deaths of hundreds of thousands in South Africa and beyond.  The only thing that differentiates Sherr’s ideas and experiments from Rath’s is the number of people involved.  I can only hope that Sherr abandons his project sooner rather than later.

Criticism of Sherr will not come from within his profession, not only do the SoH refuse to criticise him but they to have flirted with the idea that homeopathy can treat aids, on World Aids Day no less, an idea that caused an avalanche of criticism at the tail end of 2007.  An idea that the SoH have not repudiated, preferring instead to raise the drawbridge and cower in their bunker rather than take active steps to prevent the worst excesses of the profession.  It might be hoped that some criticism comes from the British Homeopathic Association (BHA), the organisation that represents medical homeopaths, but they too have carried articles supporting the use of homeopathy in AIDS treatment and do not seem keen to criticise non medically qualified homeopaths.  There is no culture of self-critcism within homeopathy and certainly no serious discussion of research ethics.

Efforts to stop Sherr will also not come from within Tanzania, thanks to the efforts of Mr Sherr’s friend – Sigsbert Rwegasira:

Sigs explained about the Tanzanian law that support homoeopathy and other traditional medicines; Traditional and Alternative Medicine Act No. 23 of 2002. You can read it on

http://www.lrct.or.tz/documents/23-2002_The%20Traditional%20and%20Alternative%20Medicines%20Act,%202002.pdf

Sigs has been the main force behind this law, and he made sure that it was done properly and safeguards homoeopathy and just about every other major alternative medicine.

The prospect of such quackery becoming enshrined in law in a developing country  where 6.5% of the population have AIDS, is chilling.  6.5% is a comparatively low percentage when South Africa, home to Rath’s worst excesses, is considered but if Sherr’s ideas spread and people choose to abandon ARVs and precautionary measures in favour of homeopathy then the consequences could be terrible.

I have expressed my concerns to the UNAIDS country coordinator for Tanzania by email and will update this post should he reply.  I would be grateful if any readers could recommend people to contact or suggest other ideas for preventing the spread of dangerous ideas and practices regarding human experimentation involving alternative therapies and serious diseases.

*update*

As well as UNAID I have now also contacted the institutions referred to in the following passage from the Dynamis website and asked them about the nature of their involvement and whether or not a research proposal was assessed by an ethics committee.

We have the support of several eminent homeopathic researchers, as well as the Muhumbili University of Health Sciences in Dar Es Salaam, Tanzania and the Department of Integrative Medicine at the University of Maryland, USA.

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121 Responses to “Jeremy Sherr – a Rath in the making?”

  1. Sharon said

    These people are tremendously arrogant. Their unwavering faith in their magical system blinds them to reason. I had one of them write to me yesterday castigating me for daring to comment on homeopathy without having read their holy book. But I don’t have to read anything by L Ron Hubbard to know that Scientology is ridiculous.

    My husband was moved by this fool’s comment to write a nice post on my blog here.

  2. anandamide said

    “Placebo treatment is considered unethical in AIDS”

    Indeed.

  3. draust said

    Talking of the echoes of Herr Dr Med Matthias, I guess you spotted this bit in Jeremy’s diary entry for Sunday 28th December:

    “Finally the time came to meet the doctors…

    We sit talking in their room, explaining our intention of working with homoeopathy to help cure HIV/AIDS. Both doctors are courteous and friendly, but we feel a resistance underneath, a ‘labadabadi’ – ‘Maybe later’ in Swahili. But this lack of enthusiasm does not stem from medical and scientific prejudice. We quickly identify that their resistance originates from doubts about legality. We then pull out our trump card; Margot tells them about the “Tanzanian Alternative and Traditional Medicine Act of 2002″. Sigsbert was very instrumental in passing this act, and in our hearts we thank him now. This act is one of the reasons I chose Tanzania out of all the countries in Africa. Not only are we legal, but the Government endorses us!

    (Italics mine)

  4. gimpy said

    Sharon, it’s scary just how committed these people are to irrational ideas. I don’t think the thought that homeoapthy might not work has ever crossed Sherr’s mind.

    Draust, there are many appalling passages in Sherr’s blog and I had seen that one. This fuels my fear that Tanzania may be a South Africa in waiting as regards public health and was expressed in my email to UNAIDS.

  5. How did ‘‘ ever get a .edu domain name? Surely there’s some control on these to stop the public being conned into thinking it’s an educational establishment and a place of learning?

  6. Sorry, really messed up the tags.

    How did ‘The Dynamis School of Advanced Homoeopathic Studies’ (www.dynamis.edu) ever get a .edu domain name? Surely there’s some control on these to stop the public being conned into thinking it’s an educational establishment and a place of learning?

  7. Martin said

    Thank you Gimpy – this is an important issue that needs to be tackled. This guy is an absolute cretin.

  8. Claire said

    Oh dear, looks like some of my compatriots are busily promoting Sigsbert R and homeopathy in Tanzania . Having just returned from that part of the world, and spoken to someone who has had to organise HIV/AIDs awareness teaching for his employees, my impression is that the last thing Tanzania needs is misinformationand wishful thinking about HIV/AIDS related healthcare. I didn’t come across anything like this on my travels so if, Gimpy, by acting now you help to head off this development, you will have done a very good thing.

  9. draust said

    That sight is both a hoot and utterly scary, Claire.

    I was interested in this bit:

    “Homeopathy is a complete system of medicine that has proven very effective in the treatment of many types of illnesses. It has recently been recommended in a report issued by the World Health Organization as being a successful form of treatment, particularly suited to developing countries”

    I’m sure someone here can advise as to which WHO Report this is??!

    I can believe that political correctness and “indigenous healing practises” rheteric might mean that the WHO is loathe to say anything bad about “traditional healing” – and I suppose that might have been extended to “unconventional treatments”, allowing the homeo-idiots to piggyback along. However, I severely doubt that the WHO have ever said that this kind of mumbo-jumbo can treat malaria and HIV.

  10. Robin said

    aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!! Fucking hell! How can you be so patient in tackling these people? My hat goes off to you, you’re genuinely making a difference. I am too angry and exasperated to even stay calm when confronted with a story like this. Can’t we just have this guy locked up for mass murder?

  11. gimpy said

    Claire/Draust/Everybody, you will be shocked by this very revealing quote from an early entry on Sherr’s blog:

    I know, as all homeopaths do, that you can just about cure AIDS in many cases. But shhhh… I’m not allowed to say that, so you didn’t hear it.

    Robin, I have passed through the stages of rage and anger and am now in a calm void somewhere beyond. I have realised there is no point engaging with homeopaths, they will not listen and they will not behave like responsible adults, so they need to be sanctioned with a heavy hand.

  12. Cybergibbons said

    I brought the blog to Ben’s attention on Saturday morning, linked to from a facebook group. Previously I have just been irritated by homeopathy, but this blog has really enraged me.

    The wikipedia page has become slightly more critical of Jeremy Sherr since then. There are only references to here and comments on his own blog – I’d be interested in seeing some additional references added.

    Surely something can be done about this at some level? He’s soliciting donations as a charity on his webpage, which is funding this. There have to be some regulations which prevent a registered British charity from participating in something so disgustingly wrong?

  13. Cybergibbons said

    Well, I’ve made enquiries with the Charity Commission anyway. I should hear back from them in a few weeks.

  14. Robin said

    Gimpy,

    can’t we find out people and organisations that are directly or indirectly connected to Sherr, and appeal to their sense of reason with a single letter detailing the “crimes” that this man is by his own admission guilty of?

    Aren’t there groups of influential rational people in Tanzania who could be contacted?

    I mean “crimes” in the moral sense, if indeed there are no laws against what he is doing.

    Surely there must be some people who are rational but simply unaware of how wrong this man’s actions are.

  15. Oh my, from an interview Sherr gave on AIDS and homeopathy: “I can show fantastic AIDS cases on video, where you clearly see people getting better and coming off their drugs” (my emphasis). In his own words – not baseless some claim by a detractor – people came off their AIDS medications because they “got better” while taking homeopathic sugar pills. I feel nauseous.

    (Here’s Google Cache’s version of the page, lest it vanish for any reason).

  16. jaycueaitch said

    Excellent digging, Gimpy. The arrogance of these people is scary indeed. I share your concerns that the Tanzanian AIDS situation could become as bad as South Africa.

    What does it take to stop these people?

  17. Claire said

    That’s an extraordinary interview, Rob H. Frightening to know he is grandly importing his belief system into a country afflicted by grave health problems. Of course he won’t actually be treating patients himself, so conveniently can’t be collared should the spotlight fall on homeopaths’ activities in Tanzania. Interesting admission about the UK being ’saturated’ with homeopaths, not enough patients to make a living etc…is that why we’re seeing homeopathic colonial expansion into the Africa? Further down we learn that homeopathy is analogy, which is obviously why things like evidentiary standards are such a bore. Though perhaps I’m just lacking “the carrot of awareness”*, which opens up myriad possibilities for root-vegetable based alternative spiritualities.

    *biodynamically grown, of course!

  18. Cybergibbons said

    Have you seen the most recent posting on the blog? It’s so bad that I’m concerned this is a big wind up.

  19. seenoevil said

    Keep up the proactive work. This is a serious issue, nevermind what you think of homeopaths in general, the attitude displayed by Mr Sherr is unethical to begin with. Lets hope this ‘trial’ gets no further than wishful thinking.

  20. David said

    (I posted this in the other Jeremy Sherr thread unintentionally, so I repost it here slightly altered).

    I’ve been looking at Jeremy’s wife’s latest trial of n=1 in AIDS.
    (Well it’s actually n=8, but she only gives details on the most “impressive” patient!)
    http://jeremysjournalfromafrica.blogspot.com/2009/01/good-results.html

    I am a bit nervous; this is the first test, will my prescriptions work?

    Well, they did. They worked great! Both Sigs and I are impressed and happy. For people who are very sick and taking heavy ARV medication, the results are impressive. In particular case 101, the first case I saw when I arrived. She feels that the ARVs are poisoning her, and claims that she feels worse in many ways since taking them; she had been vomiting continuously for months, which began soon after the drugs. Her relatives are very worried about this. There was a long list of symptoms: Chest pain, fullness in the stomach, dark brown urine. She is very weak, and has heaviness in the legs. She suffers from bad dreams, has a sense of failure and is constantly angry. She sleeps poorly. Before the ARVs she had a CD4 of 137. We don’t have a CD4 now (the lab was not yet set up when we took this case).

    Three weeks after the remedy she is feeling better then she has for a long time. Her energy is vastly improved, and she can walk long distances. Legs are better, sleeping well, glands down, stomach better, urine clear, dreams gone, no vomiting. She is feeling much happier in herself. But here is the real surprise: her CD4 count this week has gone up to a massive 1430! That is beyond healthy. What a shame we didn’t have the initial count, so I am NOT claiming the the amazing CD4 count is a result of homoeoapthy, but the general improvement certainly is.

    So, if I read her correctly, there was a patient who started ARVs when her count was low (137) several months previously. She experienced many of the side effects encountered by people starting ARVs (such as nausea and vomiting).
    A month ago Mrs Sherr has added in some homeopathic medicine.
    The patient has since improved. The CD4 count is up to 1430.

    The improvement in count and in overall symptoms is quite typical of, and is in fact the expected outcome of ARV therapy within the first year or so of treatment.

    Mrs Sherr attributes the clinical improvement to homeopathy, of course. Post hoc ergo and all that.

    There is of course a quite valid research protocol that could be used here.
    Take patients starting ARVs, and randomise them to having either individualised homeopathy or a placebo equivalent. Compare clinical outcomes (self-reported and objective medical assesment) and laboratory outcomes (CD4 count and if available viral loads). A clear answer should soon become apparent as there are many patients to test.

    Jeremy/Camilla talk about doing a “trial”, but it would seem that they are just giving some patients open labelled homeopathy and recording the outcome in a most unscientific manner. She doesn’t even seem bothered that there is no “before homeopathy” CD4 count to go with the high “after homeopathy” CD4 count (which is actually also the “after ARV” count!). Her opinion is all that matters. Mark this patient down as one case of homeopathic success!

    I can’t wait for her article in the Lancet when it gets published.

    PS Camilla Sherr says in her profile that she is a registered member of the SoH. However, a search for her under married or maiden name on the register reveals nothing.

  21. YearsofClinicalMedicine said

    This is one of the most shameful posts I have run across on the internet. It is based on two assumptions: that ARV drugs are INFALLIBLE and that they are readily available.

    First, lets discuss the infallibility. I get that you are not a drug company representative or a clinician with experience in African countries. If you were,you would not have the absolute confidence in the type of drug that you are promoting. Even drug company reps know its limitations.

    Having seen that the drug does not always work, even in the individual that is scrupulous in how they take it, I know that what you are saying is based simply on theory and bigotry against any kind of alternative or supplement to it. I get a sense that you are a medical researcher where everything either works or doesn’t work and medicine is “pure”. Clinical reality is different than that especially in Africa.

    I have seen, with my own eyes, that even when someone is on a ARV schedule they can suffer from debilitating weakness and other complaints that render them close to death and ineffective in surviving their harsh realities . They then die from “other causes” such as the lack of ability to gather food, tuberculosis, (which it seems to promote the development of) or protozoan diseases and all these of course don’t make it into your lily white statistics about the drug’s efficacy.

    So someone like Jeremy Sherr should be applauded in his attempt to develop an alternative. The demagoguery, threats here by whoever gimpy is, and the aroused is typical of those who have not gone there. I suggest you all take a junket, some time away from your computers in your comfortable offices, to some of the countries this man is working in and see for yourself before judging and coming up with nasty accusations and assumptions.

  22. David said

    I also have found that Mr Sherr supports an aspect of homeopathy in AIDS that I personally was previously unaware of; the “genus epidemicus”.

    It seems that, in an “epidemic” scenario, the homeopath can dispense with the sacrosancy principle of individualisation, and just give the same homeopathic junk to everybody. The fact that AIDS is a syndrome made up of over 30 different clinical conditions of quite different manifestations, from infections to cancers, does not seem to matter.

    Well, does any “individualisation” matter anyway, when there is no active ingredient and no activity?

    http://www.modernhomoeopathy.com/article_on_aids.htm

    In epidemics, homeopaths have always put all the symptoms together – as if ONE PERSON – and come up with a grouping of remedies, called a genus epidemicus. This can lead to treat masses of people who exhibit a particular set of common symptoms, a disease pattern and fit into a ‘labeled’ disease diagnosis. There are so many people who are afflicted with this syndrome of HIV+ and AIDS, that this can possibly be considered an ‘epidemic’. While this is a controversial idea, mainly because those diagnosed with AIDS or HIV+ usually die of other ‘diseases’, Jeremy feels that the ‘epidemic’ aspect should be not be ruled out and considered in research. While ideally, homeopathic treatment consists of treating each and every individual for their unique symptoms, an epidemic scenario is a different breed.

  23. anandamide said

    Yearsofclinicalmedicine – The two assumptions, as I see them, are

    1: ARV’s are the most effective way of delaying the onset of AIDS

    and, critically

    2: Homeopathy is as effective at treating HIV as ointment is at treating decapitation

    Fortunately, these two assumptions are backed up by mountains of empirical data and theoretical structures.

    Yes, ARVs have horrible side effects, and they are not universally available. But I fail to see how getting people to take sugar pills INSTEAD (?!!!) of active medication is any kind of solution. In fact, I fail to see it as anything other than a chillingly ignorant form of murder.

  24. YearsofClinicalMedicine said

    Anandamide- Well gimpy has you really worked up- murder and mayhem! You might want to look up how many people have died at the hands of the type of drugs and treatment you are promoting. Now that is real.

    Homeopathy is much more than sugar pills but your bigoted and bloated mind can’t see it and will probably never see it. Your idiotic statements show where you are really at- nothing to discuss with you. You’ve shut your mind to the possibility of homeopathy working. That is certainly not my experience, nor other eminent scientists and clinicians point of view.

    Its all pontification here, bigotry, demagoguery, accusations, without any real evidence based on erroneous assumptions as stated.

  25. dt said

    You might want to look up how many people have died at the hands of the type of drugs and treatment you are promoting. Now that is real.

    Straw man argument. The ARV drugs have toxicities/side efects because, unlike homeopathy, they are biologically active and actually posess some clinical efficacy. Whether they may cause harm is irrelevant, as on balance they have ben found to be very effective even in the setting of Subsaharan Africa.

  26. YearsofClinicalMedicine said: “without any real evidence” Oh, the irony!

    It’s nothing to do with closed minds, bigotry – or any other of your ad hominems – or anecdotal ‘evidence’ or personal experience.

    Whether anyone’s mind is closed to homoeopathy working or not and who also hold the same view as you do, is irrelevant.

    What is relevant is the number of lives saved by proper medicine, the doubling of life expectancy last century and mostly it’s to do with integrity and evidence from properly conducted, repeatable, quality trials. Homoeopathy fails on all these counts.

  27. Robin said

    YearofClinicalMedicine,

    1. Causing people to die prematurely through a combination of arrogance, ignorance and charm. Why not call that murder? This is what Jeremy Sherr is doing
    2. Homeopathy has not shown itself to work better than placebo. Based on its proposed mechanism of action, this is not surprising, and humanity should now move on from its use, and abandon it completely.
    3. Bigotry – an intolerance of beliefs and opinions that differ from your own – is what you are displaying, not Anandamide. We are concerned about a failure to apply reason in regards to homeopathy and the treatment of serious diseases. This is not a matter of either belief or opinion.
    4. Pontificate – to express one’s dogmatic beliefs – is again what you are doing. To believe in logic, reason and the application of the scientific method is not a dogma, but its very opposite.
    5. Demagoguery is a word that applies to populist political leaders, and I think you used it because you like the sound of it. Very bombastic.
    6. “No real evidence”? We have two facts. 1) The fact that homeopathy does nothing. 2) The fact that Sherr is trying to treat those dying from AIDS. Which other facts need we seek?
    7. The eminience of scientists and clinicians who believe in homeopathy is of no relevance whatsover to the question of its efficacy.

    Now kindly go away. We don’t have time to waste on you. Until practicising homeopathy is illegal, we’re going to be very busy.

  28. Robin said

    Has anyone seen the Sherrs’ video yet?

    http://skinto.wordpress.com/2009/01/14/does-this-count-as-murder/

  29. Sceric said

    YearsofClinicalMedicine- you blogname says almost all there is to know about you, doesn’t it? and politeness isn’t you strong point either. If you’re unable to have a decent discussion, what are doing here??

  30. [...] Jeremy Sherr – a Rath in the making? [...]

  31. draust said

    I’ve just watched the Sherr’s video and I’m, errm, speechless.

  32. [...] will therefore come as no surprise to you that when another blogger complained about Sherr. he received the brush off. Apparantly, as a Fellow of the Society rather than a Member, he is not [...]

  33. Bores said

    My dear Sirs,

    These theories seem ridiculous to me. This is the year 2009!! These posts seem to be announcing the work of a very dangerous cult that is about to take over the world… please..!!
    In Spanish we have a saying that in English could translate into ‘It takes one to know one’.
    I would guess that certain people in the scientific world dare to acuse anyone else (especially homeopaths) of doing exactly what many scientists have done in the past. In the 1950’s a couple of scientists experimented with their ‘newly born’ polio vaccine on large populations in Africa, we are all paying the consequences of those experiments still today.
    The way the information has been bent and turned around seems the work of a bad lawyer trying to earn his biggest yearly fee. I find it shocking to know that this may be the work of educated people.

    About Mr. Sherr:
    My question is: what would someone leave his comfortable life in Europe to do this kind of work for free in Africa? Usually what moves ambitious people in this world is money & power. It does not seem to me that this man is going to get either one of these by working for free to help sick people that have literally been forsaken by everyone else. This is a charity project running on donations not an atempt to take over the world.
    We, humans, find ourselves to be nearly perfect, intelligent and almighty and yet, after 250 years the non-sense about the very powerful homeopathic healing art still continues.
    If homeopathy had saved your lives, like it has saved many other’s lives, including mine, you would probably love your lives so, that you would not be wasting your time on this. Homeopathy HAS BEEN for over 250 years and it shall continue TO BE long after we are gone.

    My best homeopathic wishes to you all.
    V.B.

  34. Aurinkoon said

    I would think all humans would agree; that as long as the patient gets better or is cured the method is not important?
    The method is just a tool for a healing to occur.

    Please, respect that millions of people have been cured by homeopathic remedies for over 150ys.
    Where they all liars?
    All those babies, children and old people seen in clinical experiences?
    All the people Hahneman saved with homeopathy during the colera epedemi in Eorupe in 1831?

    Mr. Sherr is a man without a need for money or fame.
    He is a man wanting to help cure sick people; gently, rapidly and permanent.

    Starting a war only shows the world that you feel threatened by homeopathy and you will defend yourselves at ANY COST.

    A survivor of canser by homeopathy since the year 2000.
    Thank you; Kuu.

  35. simone - homeopath said

    The Queen mother died at the age of a 103 quenn elizabeth is over 80 and still rides horses. The whole of the royal family in England has been treated for over 150 yrs by homeopaths (some of them indeed MD’s). They have helped establish Homeopathic hospitals in london and other cities in England.

    The slander of this article and of the various trolls in here out to mock homeopathy which is the most humane medicine in existence. Jut yesterday a 95 yr old lady who has been very independent became very ill, refused her food and wanted to die, she was helped with one dose of sugar pills. In the morning she for the first time in 3 weeks demanded for her food and wanted to go out in the afternoon for a breath of fresh air. I can keep you posted on her situation on the various homeopathic remedies that she will be getting to improve what appears to be her last days, they will hopefully be dignified, if otherwise being treated by conventional medicine.

  36. gimpy said

    Oh for goodness sake all you supporters of homeopathy. Not one of you has engaged with the central issue, which is that Sherr is carrying out unethical trials in terminally ill patients in the developing world without informed consent. Instead you continue to practice your ridiculous persecution fantasies and utterly fail to engage in any meaningful attempt to analyse and regulate the behaviour of homeopathic practitioners. This analytical indolence is perhaps the most central flaw amongst modern practitioners of homeopathy, criticism is mistaken for persecution and you define yourselves in opposition to modern medicine rather than seek an identity of your own.

  37. Bores said

    The best suggestion I have for you is: gather some courage and travel down to Tanzania to see what is really happening there. Ask the people that are being treated by Mr. Sherr about their experience with the treatment. Go see the people and their suffering. After a month or two I believe you should have an opinion based on facts. Then, please talk to all of us about ethics and we shall all listen carefully.

  38. gimpy said

    Bores,

    So you think it is OK to carry out experiments without informed consent on terminally ill subjects?

  39. Bores said

    Dear Gimpy,

    I do not think that Mr. Sherr is carrying out any experiments on anyone. The man has been practising homeopathy for 29 years and knows damn well what he is doing. I also know that trying to convince you, or anybody else of this would be a very big waste of my energy and yours. I believe what I have seen and you are entitled to believe what you believe but again, if you really are SOOOO DEEPLY CONCERNED about the well-fare of those AIDS patients in Tanzania, I suggest once more that you travel down there and stay there for a couple of months. See what the practice of this homeopathy is really about and what the experiences of those people are. Go and face the reality. I am sure that Mr Sherr would be very happy to tell you or anybody else about his work. The truth is that only the ones who are there fighting for others really care. People like Jeremy Sherr or anyone else doing any kind of work in Africa for that matter.
    I believe that we can all fantasize and get angry over things that we imagine. We can not really talk about anybody or give our opinion about anything unless we have really been there and faced it. Like this, you are just wasting time and energy.

  40. Britande said

    Yes – Gimpy, leave your computer and all that’s comfortable and safe and take a trip to Tanzania to see what it’s really like out there. Of course you won’t, because its so much easier to carp and criticize (anonymously)than to get your hands dirty and really try to make a difference in the world. As YearsofClinicalMedicine said earlier, ARVs are not the infallible drugs you make them out to be, they have debilitating side-effects of their own and don’t work in many cases. They are all we have right now to treat this appalling disease, but that doesn’t mean to say we shouldn’t explore other avenues of treatment. Having lived and worked in Africa I know how difficult conditions are out there. I also know that homeopathy does work, having received homoeopathic treatment for a chronic condition that did not respond to years of conventional treatment. So I’m happy to keep an open mind on this and say good luck and vasbyt to the Sherrs. If someone feels better after treatment we should be rejoicing for that life and directing our energies into repeating the effect in other suffering beings.

    No matter what evidence you are given for homeopathy’s efficacy you’d still argue the toss, so stop banging on about unethical trials, engage with the real world and show some humanity – sadly lacking from this contemptible blog.

  41. Martin said

    Speaking as somebody who has travelled in East Africa and is well aware of the impact of AIDS there, I have to call BS on Bores above. You’re not even making any sort of argument – if homeopathy really worked then homeopaths would be able to provide some sort of solid evidence from a controlled trial. Every time this is attempted, it falls apart. If pharmaceutical companies claimed to be able to cure AIDS on the basis of such miserable evidence, you would rightly tear them apart. No, ARVs are far from perfect – they’re not a cure for a start – but we can see that they unquestionably save lives in Sub-Saharan Africa because we have hard data backing this up. Indeed, that’s how we know that the failure to use ARVs in S.A. contributed to around 300,000 needless deaths. This is the actual reality on the ground in Africa.

    What also gets me about you homeopaths here is that Sherr attacks you too, yet still you unquestioningly accept his claims. On his blog he basically described large areas of homeopathy as being complete bollocks, saying that he wasn’t going to bother investigating whether other homeopathic AIDS treatments were effective because he didn’t believe in “their philosophy”. Surely even homeopaths here can see the arrogance in him making such a statement? He thinks most of you are quacks!

  42. Martin said

    “No matter what evidence you are given for homeopathy’s efficacy you’d still argue the toss”

    If someone offered evidence proving that it worked, then Gimpy and I and many others would accept it. The problem is that there is no evidence beyond meaningless personal anecdotes, and wild unsubstantiated claims which the author is so embarassed about he feels compelled to delete them from his blog…

  43. Cybergibbons said

    Homeopaths,

    Bores: The OPV AIDs hypothesis has been thought of as disproven for about 10 years now. Very, very few people in the medical profession think otherwise. Outside of that, there is a big, big flaw in your logic.

    In the 1950’s a couple of scientists experimented with their ‘newly born’ polio vaccine on large populations in Africa, we are all paying the consequences of those experiments still today.

    You here highlight the belief that scientists performing experiments without careful control could result in severe consequences.

    Jeremy Sherr is conducting experiments with homeopathic remedies. Let’s for a second say that sugar pills could have some effect. What happens if the effect is bad? What happens if it could make AIDS worse? Please explain how this is any different?

    Aurinkoon:
    Starting a war only shows the world that you feel threatened by homeopathy and you will defend yourselves at ANY COST.

    Yes, I feel threatened by it. There’s legions of fanatics trying to convince everyone they can that it works, and the mainstream media does little to convince anyone otherwise. Why would I not feel threatened?

    Simone: For maybe 200 years, scientists and statisticians have written about the fact that collating a number of anecdotes does not constitute data. You suffer from several problems:
    Self-reporting – people are more likely to say something has worked when they are self-reporting. Especially when they have wasted money on it.
    Confirmation bias – you believe in homeopathy. Your only going to report and remember the cases where it worked.
    Secondhand information. Speaks for itself.

    There are some really good books on logical fallacies and the history of science about, I suggest picking one up.

  44. Cybergibbons said

    Sorry – cocked up the italics on that last post. Hopefully you can see where the quotes are.

  45. Allo V Psycho said

    Britandes
    “leave your computer and all that’s comfortable and safe and take a trip to Tanzania to see what it’s really like out there”

    Bores
    See what the practice of this homeopathy is really about and what the experiences of those people are

    “Ask the people that are being treated by Mr. Sherr about their experience with the treatment”

    Might there be some common ground we can agree on?

    Asking people about their experience generates low quality information, since many conditions are episodic or self limiting, and self-perceptions of health status are highly subjective. It would be necessary to conduct a trial into which people were randomised into an active arm and a control arm. Both patients and the staff delivering the therapy should be unaware of which what arm patients were in. There should be a base line measure (such as CD4 count) of how ill they were to begin with. After an appropriate time, the groups can be de-anonymised, and the outcomes compared by statistical means. Since the outcome can only be a conditional statement of probability, the entire process needs to be replicated independently. It is a moral imperative that ethical approval be granted by an appropriate body, in accord with the Declaration of Helsinki, http://www.wma.net/e/policy/b3.htm in order to ensure that patients are not exploited, or suffer unnecessarily.
    The new treatment should be compared to the best existing therapy (‘best’ does not imply that it is perfect, either in efficacy or absence of side effects). Patients should not be deprived of a proven therapy in favour of an unproven therapy, so, unless there is evidence of an interaction between the therapies, the new therapy should be tested in addition to the best therapy rather than instead of it.

    These are general and neutral comments which are not directed against any particular proposed therapy. Bores and Britandes, do you agree with these general statements?

    Please note, I have no financial interest in pharmaceutical or homoeopathic products. I do have a day job which would make it impossible for me to travel to Africa to do a trial in person, but this specific information is not relevant to the general issues I raise above: I would expect any individual to conduct trials in accordance with these principles. Should the outcome of such a series of trials demonstrate reliable health benefits, then I have no advance prejudice against it.

  46. Rob said

    Bores: “I do not think that Mr. Sherr is carrying out any experiments on anyone.”
    He’s giving unproven treatments to AIDS patients and observing the results. So is his wife Camilla, and Jeremy has said that one of his aims is “to collect enough data to convince the powers that be”. In what way is this not experimentation?

  47. DT said

    Bores, I used to live and work in Zimbabwe and have a very sound understanding of the “realities” that face people with medical disease and AIDS in exactly this type of setting.

    In the field of HIV, there are very stringent rules that now apply to the use of any drugs someone might feel would help – the criteria applied in the developed world have been extended to other countries and it is deemed unethical to attempt any treatment trial which does not offer “best current standard of care” as an option. In practice, this means that going along with what might be acceptable care in the deprived setting in which you are working is deemed unethical.

    The best example I can think of comes from trials of antiretrovirals for pregnant women to reduce the chances of the babies becoming infected. It was already known that this was the case with one drug, AZT. The view was taken, after a lot of debate, that trials looking at other types of intervention in the developed world would be unethical if there were placebo-control groups consisting of women with “no AZT”.

    http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/short/337/12/853

    “Acceptance of a standard of care that does not conform to the standard in the sponsoring country results in a double standard in research. Such a double standard, which permits research designs that are unacceptable in the sponsoring country, creates an incentive to use as research subjects those with the least access to health care.”

    What Jeremy Sherr seems to be doing is tantamount to doing one of these trials. He would get patients who could not get ARVs, or who were actually taken off ARVs, to enter his little “observational study”. He seemed to run into objections regarding what he wanted to do, so said he would just get on and do it himself without approval. If he actually did what he said he would do then his trial/study/treatment is unethical, as it deprives patients who need treatment from getting the best available standard care.

    The question arises as to what the best care might be in the Tanzanian situation. It clearly is the case that ARVs are available, so it would be wrong to deny this opportunity to people who might need it.

    The facts are that there WOULD be ways to design a proper and ethically sound study to look at the impact of homeopathy in AIDS patients. But homeopaths (and Sherr in particular) seem unresponsive to suggestions as to how this might be done. I have to ask why? His attitude betrays his agenda – he obviously does not wish to provide a proper test of his remedies, he just wants to give them to whoever he wants, and by recording whether patients “feel better” afterwards he can claim that his study of homeopathy in AIDS showed success. He is disinterested in finding out what genuinely would work, and has disdain for the scientific method. This is why he has responded badly to criticisms he received, rather than taking some ideas on board about how to do what he wants to do in a far better way.

  48. JustaMessenger said

    Just wanted to say well done to you guys for taking the time to pursue this issue and post on it.

    First a confession: I know several homeopaths. I find them to be likeable people. I’ve tried homeopathy on more than one occasion (for the usual bruises, coughs etc, although not (as yet) any terminal illnesses).

    BUT what I find so upsetting here (and it happens on all other similar blogs) is that the homeopaths and supporters thereof who bother to post consistently fail to acknowledge and address the original important question from which the debate they are joining stems, that being in this case the ethical status of Sherr’s research. At the end of the day it’s either ethical by internationally recognised standards, or it’s not, and the standards have been very clearly explained by posters here.

    And in this case it’s not.

    Clear. Cut and dried. Done deal. You cannot possibly see it any other way.

    So even if one were to totally accept that:
    - homeopathy works for some conditions
    - Sherr has reason to believe his treatment could be effective
    - He is not seeking either personal profit or fame
    - Treating disease in Africa is difficult
    - AIDS in Africa is a big problem and needs all the solutions that can be found

    …none of that changes the fact that Sherr’s approach is still totally unethical.

    I’m sorry that for some of you all of that is just repeating your own arguments and conclusions but I just wanted to add my voice to the call for this research to stop, and furthermore to implore some homeopaths to really read the factual content of these blogs and then have the guts to say that (I’m repeating myself now) Sherr’s research is unethical.

    That he is allowed to continue reflects badly enough on homeopathy. That then not one person from the profession will address the ethical issue properly makes matters considerably worse.

    I fully support the individual’s right to follow whatever practice makes them feel better (doctor, priest, homeopath, shaman, blogging, whatever… personally these days I mostly just look in the mirror and give myself a good talking to) but what he is doing has nothing to do with freedom.

  49. Mojo said

    YearsofClinicalMedicine:

    “This is one of the most shameful posts I have run across on the internet. It is based on two assumptions: that ARV drugs are INFALLIBLE…”

    No, it isn’t. I stopped reading your post at the first lie, so I can’t comment on anything after that.

  50. Pete said

    By now the Tanzanian authorities must be well aware of the homeopathic clinic in their county at the highest level. I think that we can trust that Gimpy et al have done that! I would have thought that Tanzanians would base any decision on the future of the clinic by consultation with their own medical people. They would be better placed to know exactly what is going on.

  51. Bores said

    I do not know if we are ever going to get anywhere with this. It is true that my comments are not scientific. I am not much of a scientist. I would say that I love people, life and nature so what I see and experience around me is evidence enough for me. I could tell you hundreds of success stories with homeopathy, even in very severe illnesses but it would be in vain.

    I believe everyone is entitled to think and say what they want. I am not bothered by the fact that some people do not believe in Homeopathy, find us all dreadful and so on.. This is of no relevance in my life or in the way I see homeopaths, homeopathy and homeopathic treatments.

    If I tell you the truth, I’d rather have it like this. If homeopathy became accepted by the scientific world, it would mean that it has become some kind of mechanical process and it would mean that is not worth one cent anymore. It would be become something that is not, so it would loose its power.

    I know that this attitude belongs to the scientific world. Scientists rip each other apart every day. The first reaction to every theory, hipothesis, etc is often negative.
    Schopenhauer said: ‘ALL THE GREAT TRUTHS ARE FIRST RIDICULIZED, THEN ATTACKED VIOLENTLY AND FINALLY ACCEPTED AS SOMETHING OBVIOUS’.

    EVIDENCE is the MOST important but yet the evidence that is given never seems to be enough. What do we actually want?

    You find Mr. Sherr’s doing unethical because you are convinced that he is trying to cure AIDS patients with sugar pills, well, I do not think that they are just sugar pills, so here is the problem. Because we share different opinions we can never agree what is unethical or not because we part from different points of view.

    Thank you all for your comments and good luck!

    Bores Lluis

  52. Robin said

    Do you people not stop to consider the ridiclousness of a bunch of people with huge chips on their shoulders and fear of the unknown, who have never prescribed a homeopathic remedy in their life, telling one of the most experienced homeopaths in the world that homeopathy does not work? For goodness sake, take a good look at yourselves and open your minds, its not as scary as you think.

  53. Chris said

    Robin, what chip?

    Why would we prescribe this stuff when we know how diluted homeopathic remedies are, follow the zeros!

    Recipe for Nat Mur or Natrum Mur or Natrium Mur or Natrum muriaticum:

    1) Take ½ teaspoon of sea salt and dissolve into 1 cup of distilled water in a bottle.
    2) Shake well.
    3) This is a 1C solution (ratio 1/100).
    4) Take ½ teaspoon of the 1C solution and put it a bottle with 1 cup of distilled water, throw out the 1C solution.
    5) Shake well.
    6) This is a 2C solution (ratio 1/10000).
    7) Take ½ teaspoon of the 2C solution and put it a bottle with 1 cup of distilled water, throw out the 2C solution.
    … … … …
    90) This is a 30C solution (1/1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000).

    And then you are done! You can make up other remedies by knowing what the mother tincture is… For instance “Nux Vomica” (or Nux Vom) is from the Nux Vomica plant which contains the poison strychnine, Nux Sulph uses sulpher, and the stuff advertised on the radio for colds, Oscillococcinum is from duck liver.

    (edited for brevity – g)

  54. Sceric said

    Bores wrote (quoting Schopenhauer):‘ALL THE GREAT TRUTHS ARE FIRST RIDICULIZED, THEN ATTACKED VIOLENTLY AND FINALLY ACCEPTED AS SOMETHING OBVIOUS’.
    – well, over 200 years is quite some time and I see neither acceptance nor it beeing obvious…so how long will it take to be homeopathy to be accepted and obvious?? when the laws of thermodynamic don’t apply anymore??

    Robin wrote :”For goodness sake, take a good look at yourselves and open your minds, its not as scary as you think”
    It only get’s scary when somebody tries to test something like homeopathy on people with a fatal illness or the ones that can’t yet complain (like children)…for the rest it’s rather funny to see the believers in homeopathy trying to convince themselves of the efficiency…

  55. Robin (52), your complaint makes exactly as much sense as the following: “Do you people not stop to consider the ridiculousness of a bunch of people who have never constructed an astrological birth chart in their life, telling one of the most experienced astrolgers in the world that astrology does not work?”

    No, it is not at all ridiculous.

  56. simone said

    In the event of severe CVA’s, every experienced homeopath has some to demonstrate. The rise of a person from the coma is about one hundred times faster than under the ordinary medicine. Yes, I can attest to just two such cases. My colleagues and teachers had much more than two cases of coma. I do not ask you to believe this – check with patients.

  57. Chris said

    Simone said “I do not ask you to believe this – check with patients.”

    Old saying: the plural of anecdote is not data.

    Produce real verifiable evidence. Show us that homeopathy has cured a non-self limiting disease with real scientific evidence. Something that was witnessed and reviewed by qualified people who are not homeopaths.

  58. George said

    Why are so many responders to this blog assuming that homeopathic medicine is placebo? Have they examined the existing evidence of its efficacy — there is quite a lot out there; those who review this material with an unjaundiced eye will find ample evidence to support, at the least, the conclusion that homeopathy might be effective for some health conditions. Now folks are railing at the affrontery of a homeopath attempting to treat AIDS – how dare he?! Mind you the folks Sherr is treating are not being discouraged or forbidden to use ARVs (I would concur that such a requirement would be unethical, and I support the highest standards of clinical medical research ethics.), rather they are those who for other reasons (access, willingness, etc) aren’t taking them.
    And small pilot studies take place all the time — to provide a plausible basis for further organized study; so the condemnation of a dedicated researcher, not wishing to preempt medical care, but rather to add to it appear to me wrong-headed.
    Suppose, just suppose, that Sherr’s efforts bear fruit — what then? Might not the demonstrated fact (surely homeopathy’s most rabid opponents will never accept any evidence demonstrating homeoopathy’s efficacy, but hopefully others will) of homeopathy’s efficacy in this disease prove a blessing in a country lacking the wealth and medical industry to care adequately for the sick? Might it not serve as a helpful, non-toxic tool to advance that population’s health?
    I would suggest folks give Mr. Sherr a little room to breathe and to try to serve, as his is, selflessly.

  59. Dr. Irone, M.D. said

    Gimpy appears to be a paid pawn of big pharma (multinational pharmaceutical industry). His inflammatory, fear-based rhetoric is not only unadulterated, prefabricated nonsense, but intentionally deceitful, malicious and libelous. He has obviously not carefully studied nor observed the implementation of homeopathic medicine and nutritional therapy in clinical practice, does not understand the verifiable scientific foundations of these cost-effective health care modalities and therefore should not at all be taken seriously. Furthermore, his scandalous lies, attempts at political suppression of the good works of expert homeopathic practitioners and rampant hate-mongering prove that Gimpy is a coward and a fraud, pure and simple. It is not worth arguing with such a fool and the fools that emulate him.

    Perhaps Gimpy and his small-minded, obnoxious, gimpy cohorts need to develop diseases for which conventional, allopathic medicine is totally useless, which are many. Jeremy Sherr and his professional colleagues could then offer their expertise and demonstrate the therapeutic efficacy of well-prescribed homeopathic medicines, of course, only if Gimpy and his band of mean-spirited naysayers had the common sense to be willing to experience and benefit from its healing power for themselves firsthand. However, I doubt that they possess the rigorous, scientific open-mindedness, integrity and humility to do so. Too bad for them.

    BTW, Chris, verifiable, scientific, clinical evidence already exists demonstrating the effectiveness of homeopathic medicine in chronic disease processes. If you and Gimpy were to review the medical records of Dr. Russell Malcolm and his medical colleagues in Glasgow, you would find that to be true. But, it is not clear that you want to know the truth. Maybe you are just too frightened to face it. If not, prove it.

  60. Chicahua said

    I find this homeopathic mud-slinging almost amusing at times…anti-homeopathists ask us “to produce real, verifiable evidence” and to prove that “homeopathy has cured a non-self limiting disease.” I might suggest that the nay-sayers prove that it has not. Who asks an acupunturist for proof? Who asks an oncologist for proof? An internal medical practitioner?

    In the face of any such evidence, a nay-sayer will still refute it. When homeopathy works, nay-sayers point to ‘placebo-affect.’ Couldn’t possibly be homeopathy that cures…it must be a placebo affect. In traditional medicine, when someone’s cancer goes into remission, it is said that chemo-therapy worked, chemo-therapy cured this person – and yet, when chemo-therapy fails, who says that chemo-therapy killed the patient? No…then we say that the cancer was not curable. Why is cancer curable in one but not in another? How is this any different than homeopathy working for one and perhaps not another? Or one kind of allopathic medicine works for one, yet makes another sicker?

    These kinds of arguments are fairly pointless and the lambasting of Mr. Sherr serve only to create hate, discontent, and fear. I have seen the affects of homeopathy in my own work with clients, and felt its work in my own body, too. I have also seen the benefits of some allopathic treatment – in fact, I am more supportive of an integrative approach to helping people with their health (and it is my understanding of Mr. Sherr’s very credible work that he is too).

    I would ask anyone reading this hype and mud-slinging to go educate yourself, approach this with an open mind, and ask yourself this – if you were ill, if you were suffering from an allegedly ‘incurable’ disease, would you not want ANY modality to be freely available to you in order to choose that which you thought might best support your health? Would you not want to have EVERY chance to recover? And would you allow ANY time-proven treatment to be taken away from you because a there are hardcore perspectives out there who deny the efficacy of such treatment?

    As for me, I choose homeopathy because I believe in personal choice, and I choose holistic modalities because I don’t believe I’m a pile of separate parts – I believe I am an integrated, whole being – and I believe in being treated like one.

  61. Alan Guzik said

    It’s truly unfortunate that there is so much negative misinformation on this blog about the healing power of homeopathy. I’ve benefited greatly from it as have family and friends. For instance, it clearly helped me overcome a bad case of arthritis from my hips down. It was very painful as I had to stand on my feet all day at work. I had the condition for about 5 years and then 2 weeks after taking the homeopathic remedy Silicea 200C it completely healed. I’ve had many other positive experiences with homeopathy as well. Jeremy Scherr is one of homeopathy’s most experienced practitioners and is a highly valued teacher as well. My sense of him is that he has a good heart. I trust his ethics and intentions completely. My sense of what you’ve written about him is that it’s either out of ignorance or malevolence. The unfortunate thing is that people who need help might be deprived of it. I’m saddened that such a beneficial healing modality as homeopathy, is being hurt by your comments.

    Alan Guzik

  62. Chris said

    Alan Guzik said “It’s truly unfortunate that there is so much negative misinformation on this blog about the healing power of homeopathy.”

    But you have not provided any real evidence. Again, an old saying: the plural of anecdote is not data.

    Come up with some real studies that have been reviewed and approved by people who are not biased and not homeopaths of homeopathy actually curing a non-self limiting condition, and then you might convince us.

  63. Theodore said

    I am a physician, and a sceptic of many things ’supernatural’. However, a decade ago, I had several years of recurrent bleeding, painful, purulent sinus infections, for which the best medical interventions only temporarily ameliorated only to return several weeks later. I reluctantly took the advice of a patient who had a history similar to mine, but reportedly, had her sinus infections essentially cured by homeopathy. So I, grudgingly, made an appointment with a trained homeopath. I was prescribed a series of remedies; none of which were identified for me (I would have immediately looked them up – and would have biased any observed effect). I had very strong physical reactions to several of the remedies, and an intense reaction to one remedy in particular. More amazing to me was that, after my initial remedy, I had no more sinus problems. A number of remedies would aggravate them for a day or two, but then the symptoms would quickly and completely subside. I have not had to use ANY medication for my sinuses since.
    I am a pragmatist first and foremost. I understand that the mechanism behind homeopathy may be hard to accept. Maybe there is some manner of electromagnetic signal transferred through the homeopathic dilution/succussion process. Honestly I don’t care. I do care about clinical results, and homeopathy has provided myself, and a number of my patients with positive clinical results, in some cases much better than allopathic medicine could have provided. Too bad that the homeopathic remedies don’t generate the billions in currency that patent medicines do – if they did, there would be a plethora of good scientific studies regarding homeopathy.

  64. Azadeh said

    having a background in science (phD of biochemistry and molecular biology), I had the opportunity to see how narrow minded we were in our researches, of just looking in a small area and forgeting about the whole organism.but still I was not a believer of homeopathy until I saw its result on my mother.
    thanks to homeopathy now she can walk without pain and can bend her elbows after several years of using so many medicine uselessly ( not mentioning the side effects.) . thanks!? to your Vaccine my doughter 1 1/2 yeas old suffered of high temperature (40′C) for 3 days !!!but THANKS to homeopathy ( a single dose of remedy), I have her back.there are a great number of patients who got positive result from homeopathy.you can see that if you want ??!!
    I Agree with Theodore, if homeopathy was beneficial for pharmaceutical companies it was a “Good” science.

  65. Paul said

    Enough of the ironic, “I am a physician/scientist/skeptic – but my experiential anecdote(s) convince me of the validity of this moronic delusion called homeopathy” already!!!

    Are you guys (and gals) really too stupid to realise that the fallacious reasoning inspired by your anecdote powered delusions immediately disqualify you as the rational minded physicians/scientists/skeptics you claim to be?

  66. [...] Jeremy Sherr – a Rath in the making? [...]

  67. Pete said

    As a Chemist I have to say that if I hadnt seen homeopathy work on animals many moons ago I would probably be storming on here slagging it. I think that something outside of our current paradymn of understanding is going on and that is going on. We do however live in a world where homeopaths have to play by the rules and provide evidence and some sort of research. If this isnt forthcoming then some people will get angry.

  68. Chris said

    Again: The plural of anecdote is not data.

    Also, considering that many who claimed that homeopathy works have been caught lying, I am not inclined to believe any of the anecdotes.

  69. JQH said

    And since Sherr has lied about his links to various Institutions, why should we believe anyone who followed his shrill exhortations on Godd Science to spam this blog?

    His refusal to engage with the criticisms of his proposed trial, his attempts to delete the evidence of what he said, are very telling.

  70. Paul said

    “As a Chemist [sic] I have to say that if I hadnt seen homeopathy work on animals many moons ago…“

    Good grief! Anecdote and post hoc fallacy.

    “I would probably be storming on here slagging it.”

    Probably not, Pete.

  71. simone said

    how about that :

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=94019645

    and that:

    http://www.physorg.com/news73996014.html

  72. Pete said

    Paul
    I wrote message 67 and you replied with message 68. Therefore my reasoning tells me that my message caused your message. Am I guilty of another post hoc fallacy?

  73. Paul said

    No, Pete. This time your most serious error is inappropriate comparison of a situation in which there is strong independent evidence for causality and essentially no alternative plausible explanations with one in which there is no independent evidence and several plausible alternative explanations.

  74. simone said

    Too many anecdotes to support homeopathy from scientists.

    I have a few who have been helped, in spite of the fact that they did not believe in homeopathy. They came because of their wives and children and grandchildren who have been helped first. Their physical condition – along with their general management of their life has improved.

    Scientists of caliber, true scientists observe. They base their conclusions thereon. Homeopathy does that, yes in each and every “anecdote”. This treatment if done personally, properly, considering the state of the person whether acute or chronic and the various exacerbation thereof, leads to very good results.

    It sometimes takes years but the relative relief is mostly immediate.

    No reason for people to tell about their positive experience apart from standing behind what they experienced to spread the good tidings and truth.

    Bad science is not to observe clinical facts, whether anecdotal or not.
    Bad science bad medicine suppresses physical manifestations temporarily does not cure, but worse, make symptoms surge later in a stronger manner or changes for a worse health hazard. Phenomena such as diabetes, hypertension etc. are a result of bad living, close to their onset we can treat those with homeopathy only. Once the person has used medicinal crutches we do not take them away immediately and sometime not ever in chronical cases, if lucky the person will be weaned off gradually, same with psychotropic drugs, again depending on the state of the individual.

    Bad science is not to recognise the cure that was achieved in epidemics i.e. the spanish flue that killed more that WWII battles and many more epidemics victims that were cured .so much so they scared the pharmaceuticals in the US. As a mean to stop homeopathy from thriving, they AMA and JAMA banned the schools and colleges and threatened doctors if they so much as consult a homeopath their lisence to practice medicine would be denied.

    It is practiced all over the world with homeopaths networking between India, Australia, South America , the US and Africa.

    Homeopathy is back in the US and continutes in Europe for 30 million walking anecdotes who in spite of all slander thrive on homeopathy including the royal families of England, Holland, Belgium and Spain.

    Read on Spanish flue results in the US
    http://www.homeoweb.com/bird_flu_more.htm

  75. Pete said

    Nice rational answer Paul. Mind you I was only winding you up. A bit like Gimpy is winding you and your friends up. Trouble is you cant see it.
    If Tanzanian Drs, researchers or officals come on here or make a statement confirming Gimpys statements then I am wrong.
    It is unlikely that either polarised views expressed here are right. ie Sherr is not an angel nor is he evil. Likewise Gimpy is not evil and nor is he an angel. Quite where you draw the lines I dont know yet.
    It is nice to disagree with everybody.

  76. gimpy said

    Pete, I am not winding anybody up, at least not deliberately. And the real question is Sherr’s disregard for the ethics of using human subjects.

  77. Pete said

    Gimpy

    To your(and many others)utter amusement you know that a lot of homeopaths think that many anecdotes make a clinical trial. Well maybe Sherr is no different from any of these homeopaths. What if he is just seeing patients individually and not advising against taking medication? Could he mistakingly be talking about trials when he is just referring to a collation of anecdotes.
    What claims, if any is he making in Tanzania to the individual patients and their families?
    What do the local medical people in Tanzania think? Do they think that he is experimenting on Tanzanians? Or do they think that he is just trying to help?
    The Tanzanians should decide if this is all unethical or not.

  78. dt said

    Theodore:

    “Too bad that the homeopathic remedies don’t generate the billions in currency that patent medicines do – if they did, there would be a plethora of good scientific studies regarding homeopathy.”

    News for you Theo, any idea on how much Boiron makes from selling homeopathic remedies?

    Last time I looked it was around half a billion euros each year. Their products have no acquisition costs, and the only expense is in production (just how expensive is water, alcohol and lactose these days…?) Despite this massive income, they seem to spend precious little on R&D. So little in fact, that their annual report hardly mentions this at all. It’s too busy talking about important things like “investments”, “stockholders” and “profits”.
    http://www.boiron.com/finance/82-FIN_07_GB.pdf

    So how much is spent on R&D each year?
    1.3% of sales turnover, or just over 5000 euros.

    On that R&D budget, they could barely fund their christmas party, never mind a decent research study.

  79. Pete said

    Dt
    The figures stated are in thousands of euros. Therefore Boiron spend over 5,000,000 euros on R&D. 1.3% of half a billion turnover cant be 5000.
    Anyway so what if Boiron turns over half a billion euros-What are you going to do? Tell the French whats good for them? And dont most financial reports talk about shareholders and dividends?
    I reason that a lot of their business involves tincture manufacture where costs must be high.

  80. Cybergibbons said

    Pete, you can’t deny that homeopathy is a huge industry with a massive turnover.

    Boiron are a profit making organisation.

    Homeopaths are not entirely alltruistic beings trying to save the world without making any money out of it.

    You can be charged a lot of money in the UK for some consultations.

    I’m never quite sure I get your paranoid “big pharma” argument. They don’t want homeopathy to get out because it will mean the end of conventional drugs and they won’t make any money.

    So explain why they don’t just start producing homeopathic remedies? I’d take a fair bet that no patent could be taken out on sugar pills with a drop of water on them.

  81. Pete said

    Cybergibbons- To answer your questions
    Worldwide homeopathy is a massive industry. In the UK it is relatively a lot smaller. Maybe 10-20 million???

    I would be gobsmacked if Boiron didnt make a profit as most companies with half a billion turnover do.

    I agree that Homeopaths are not all entirely alltruistic beings trying to save the world without making any money out of it. Like in any group of people there are those who are more alltruistic than others. The idea that homeopaths are all alltruistic is as potty as the idea that they are all scheming, snake oil selling bastards.

    Some of the better known UK homeopaths will charge over £100 for 1 to 1.5 hrs. Most will charge around £45-£70.

    Bloggers ie Lewis, Colquhoun, Goldacre obviously have no connection with BigPharma. In fact they are often critical of BigPharma. Not so sure about Gimpy but if I had to bet I would say that he is a science researcher with no connections to BigPharma. Attacks on Homeopathy are mainly being driven by these bloggers whose Science background and Dawkins inspired aethiest beliefs bring them into conflict with Homeopathy. Sence about Science is backed by BigPharma- not sure what they are doing though.
    If Homeopathy became as popular in the UK as it is in some other countries BigPharma would still be make billions like it does in France and Germany.

    Homeopathic remedies are all generic so no patent can be taken out on any one. BigPharma is spending zillions on researching new drug ranges and I would have thought that they were more concerned with that than bothering with Homeopathy.- It is inconcevable that they would invest one euro in the present tiny UK market unless some new evidence or mechanism came forth.

  82. Nash said

    The production of homeopathic remedies is automated. They have special machines that perform the dilution and shaking over and over again.

    But regardless of their costs, it still doesn’t exempt them from ethical considerations.

  83. Cybergibbons said

    It’s ok, I’ve sent an e-mail to GSK telling them the money is in making shaking machines. They are out to get you now!

  84. Pete said

    GSK should be happy with their £17.4Billion turnover and £5.3Billion profits. Boirons turnover of 434million euro and 56million euro profits are poxy in comparison. Boirons turnover cant be called massive when the turnover is around 2 to 3% of GSK. GSK profits are approx at a level 3 times greater than Boiron.
    Should cybergibbons imaginary email ever arrive I doubt if GSK would agree that there was sufficient money in ’shaking machines’.
    Interesting to see that Boiron worldwide sales have gone up 9%. They dont seem to bother with the small UK market.
    Where are all the overseas sceptics having a go at Boiron?

  85. I’m sure Boiron’s 434 million Euros turnover and 56 million Euros profit are more than enough for a half-decent RCT to once and for all prove to everyone that homoeopathy does, indeed, work as claimed. Boiron’s sales would go through the roof and the world’s population would be cured of all diseases (and many they don’t even know they have). What a fantastic legacy that would be and it could be the start of a new world order where disease just doesn’t exist – all for the sake of a decent RCTs?

    Also, just think of the fun you’d have here if we all had to eat our words. However, since homoeopathy has so far failed all quality trials and has no credible method of working, I’m not holding my breath.

  86. Pete said

    A visit to the website listed in post 78 shows that Boiron are increasing their R&D dudget to 7million Euros. Six clinical trials are listed dated 2007. I have no idea if these trials are of a high quality but I would have thought Boiron have the resources to conduct a high quality trial. The results whatever they are dont seemed to have harmed their sales.
    Has Sherr claimed to routinely cure AIDS? Until confirmed otherwise by people in Tanzania who know whats going on I believe that he is simply supporting very sick people with few options. Soon we will know the truth.

  87. Pete said: “I would have thought Boiron have the resources to conduct a high quality trial”

    They certainly do, but whether they have the appetite to conduct a proper trial is certainly in doubt.

  88. simone said

    what you do not know will not harm you!

    try googling simply the following :

    classical homeopathy trials and you will reach a few good ones.

    the flue of 1918 was a good enough trial versus conventional medicine and so a few other epidemics such as yellow fever, blck pox. cholera that is how homeopathy became known in the USA.

    Personally I delved in a few successful. ADHD in Switzerland.
    CFS and Climacteric phenomena in England.
    PMS trial in Israel,

    and there are munerous others being carried out now and have been in the past at least a hundred proper trials

    The PMS trial has been haralded by the lancet journal to claim that it is an example to a proper trial, such meticulous trials should be carried out in conventional medicine.

    Not to mention the proving that takes place over old and new homeopathic remedies. Jeremy Sherr has “fathered” many new ones.

    You care not see it therefore it does not exist for you.

  89. LOL! The comedy just gets better and better!

    The only PROPER trials that have been conducted have failed to show that homoeopathy is any better than placebo – it doesn’t work!

    And don’t get me started on the ridiculous ‘provings’! These alone show that homoeopaths have absolutely no idea about evidence and science.

  90. rssaini said

    Hi!
    It is the HOMEOPATH who fails and NOT THE SCIENCE OF HOMEOPATHY. The literature is replete with the proven cures of dreaded illnesses, which were given to die by the other school of thought, since the advent of the SCIENCE OF HOMEOPATHY.Countless cured cases of terminal diseases by the masters bear a testimony and proof sufficient enough to prove the efficacy of the Homeopathic medicine.The skeptics,should participate in a proving session of a Homeopathic medicine in that case they shall be able themselves to tell the world the changes which shall be witnessed in their emotional and physical being.That is the best test they can take in order to see the changes which the remedy being proved brings about.I am my self a classical Homeopath and have seen the remedies bring happiness,hope and healing in myriad disease conditions of my patients in my carrier as a Homeopath spanning over 35 years. May God bless all.

  91. simone said

    Alan Hennes demagogue heraldry will not prove homeopathy wrong – homeopaths may make mistakes as Rssaini said here is one trial heralded by the Lancet to be of first quality scientifically speaking (also great success for homeopathy)

    Michal Yakir (PhD), S Kreitler (Prof); A Brzezinski (Dr), G Vithoulkas, M Oberboum (Dr) Z. Bentwich (Prof)
    (BHJ, July 2001, VOL. 90, No. 3. pp 148-153

    Ferley et al. (1989), A controlled evaluation of a homeopathic preparation in the treatment of influenza-like syndrome

    Brigo and Serpelloni (1991), Homeopathic treatment of Migraines – A randomized double blind controlled study of 60 cases.

    Jacobs et al. (1994), Treatment of acute childhood diarrhea with homeopathic medicine: A randomized clinical trial in Nicaragua.

    Harish G. & Kretschmer M. (1994), Smallest Zinc quantities affect the Histamine release from mast cells in the Rat.

    Oberboum et al. ,

    Candler E. et al. (1994), The effect of highly diluted agitated Thyroxine on the climbing activity of frogs

    . R. P Guedes , C. M Ferreira , H. M. B Guimarães P. H. N Saldiva V. L Capelozziץ Homeopathically prepared dilution of Rana catesbeiana thyroid glands modifies its rate of metamorphosis: Homeopathy (2004) 93, 132-137

  92. Chris said

    From:
    http://jaycueaitch.wordpress.com/2009/01/29/homeopaths-spam-bomb-gimpy/

    “Perhaps their homeopathic philosophy suggests to them that any arguments are made more potent if they are greatly diluted with tens of thousands of meaningless words.”

    The Perky Skeptic has dubbed this the JQH’s Law for Arguments:
    http://perkyskeptic.blogspot.com/2009/01/jqhs-law-for-arguments-with-homeopaths.html

  93. Dt said

    So Boiron spend the vast amount of 1.3% of their sales revenue on R&D. I am soooo impressed. Particularly as this is a massive 77% increase from the previous year’s spectacular expenditure of 0.8%. (Any idea on what GSK’s R&D budget is like?)

    So I looked at the papers Boiron has funded (with it’s “enormous” R&D budget) and which it describes as “most notable”. One is a presentation at a meeting and is not published. One is in an Italian ophthalmology magazine. Of the remaining five, one is available online:
    http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?tool=pubmed&pubmedid=16550230

    It describes how in 2 villages in India (which coincidentally have high water levels of arsenic) use of a homeopathic remedy can apparently help correct some blood abnormalities found in the villagers. Several of the villagers had detectable antinuclear antibodies (ANAs) in their blood, and following treatment, the levels declined. (There is no indication that high titres of these antibodies correlates in any way with arsenic toxicity)

    It is a poorly designed trial, to say the least. Few villagers were willing to participate. This is what the authors say in the methodology section:?blockquote>”Initially the villagers did not enthusiastically volunteer. Most of them appeared to be reluctant presumably because (i) many of them simply did not believe in homeopathy; (ii) many had taboo against giving blood which, they believed, would cause them further harm; and (iii) some researchers had earlier taken blood, urine, nail and hair samples from them promising them to give effective remedies, but never came back again with either the results or the promised remedy! after great perseverance, however, some villagers agreed to undertake a blind placebo-controlled study only for 1 month, but most others maintained that they would agree to sign the ‘informed consent’ form and give us their blood samples only if they were assured that they would be given the actual drug for a long time and not any ‘placebo’.”
    A quite unsatisfactory start.
    Then they did a double-blinded, placebo controlled study of homeopathic arsenic versus placebo in the amazingly large sample of 43 volunteers. Massive statistical power? I think not.

    The authors even admit to problems with the randomisation (which was supposed to consist of subjects picking any vial they wanted at random from a tray; a laughably unsuitable method of randomisation)

    “However, it transpired later that the ‘placebo’ and ‘verum’ vials were not randomly placed in the tray, which possibly should have been done, but kept merely in different rows by the associated homeopathy doctor. This limited the actual randomization process, as some volunteers simply picked up consecutive vials one after the other from the same row) only for 1 month.”

    So their randomised trial was not even randomised. Fancy that…. Never mind, they soldiered on and did the study anyway, checking for ANAs in the subjects, but using a sensitive screening test for 20 different ANAs in one single assay with no attempt being made to characterise which ANAs were detected. (There are several types of ANA, all of different clinical relevance and implications, and the false positivity rate using this screening method is high).

    And their results in this “vast” group of 17 controls and 26 test subjects? Hard to make out really. The researchers say they analysed data using the “Student’s t test”. This is innapropriate to look at the categorical data as described. The statistical results are not even given in the text of the document, and the results of ANA testing presented in a poorly diplayed table without any statistical analysis actually being shown.

    So with these factors taken into account, what weight should we give to their stated finding that one group of subjects appeared to “lose” more of their ANA positivity than another? Answer: None.

    It is worth asking if the trial was even ethical. The authors say “Many of the latter group of people were indeed very sick, some with visible symptoms of arsenicosis”. So there were ill people in need of treatment for arsenic poisoning. The subjects were by the authors’ own admission reluctant to enter a trial if they were not receiving any active treatment. They didn’t want placebos. So I wonder exactly what the researcher told them? It is clearly implied that their arsenicum would be a treatment for arsenic poisoning. This action is cruel and unethical, and in my opinion tantamount to medical negligence.

    This study shows several things.

    1) That Boiron view a porly-designed trial with irrelevant conclusions as “one of their most notable”. If so, I hate to imagine what one of their “least notable” trials would look like.

    2) That homeopathy researchers haven’t got the faintest clue how to design or conduct a proper trial, and haven’t a clue how to use statistics or interpret results.

    3) That homeopathy journals have an abysmal standard of peer review and selection process in assessing articles for publication.

    4) That homeopathic researchers are willing to foist apparent “cures” for medical conditions onto sick villagers desperate for treatment, with no attempt to avail them of validated proper conventional medical therapy, and

    5) That Boiron is entirely happy to sponsor ethically dubious experiments in the third world, in contravention of most universally-accepted norms of practice.

    Does some of this sound familiar to you, Jeremy Sherr????

  94. Simone

    “Alan Hennes [sic] demagogue heraldry will not prove homeopathy wrong” WTF is that all about? Which one is the Lancet one you mention?

    I don’t have access to (and I’m not about to pay for a quack article), so all I have to go on are the abstracts.

    Let’s take the first article you mention, published in the British Homoeopathic Journal, doi:10.1054/homp.1999.0491, “Effects of homeopathic treatment in women with premenstrual syndrome: a pilot study”

    “Alternative therapies in general, and homeopathy in particular, lack clear scientific evaluation of efficacy.”

    There have been some good trials and they show that homeopathy is NOT effective.

    “Controlled clinical trials are urgently needed, especially for conditions that are not helped by conventional methods.”

    What might those conditions be then? Made up conditions?

    “The subjects were 20 women”

    So, it was a very small scale pilot study, then.

    Unfortunately, there are insufficient details in the abstract with which to assess whether the randomisation was adequate, whether the blinding was adequate or whether the outcome measure was good.

    Have you read the whole article? Are any of the others freely available? Are they any more than small scale pilot studies or observational studies or customer satisfaction surveys?

  95. alan guzik said

    All you have to do is pick up a basic primer on treating acutes with homeopathy and then buy some of the remedies suggested for emergencies. Keep them handy so you can try them when needed. I assure you the results will be so good that you will be convinced of homeopathy’s efficacy. No science – just good old empiricism. You’ve got nothing to lose but the argument you’re making. Just try it. Most people, if not all have come to believe in homeopathy because it’s worked for them. Instead of arguing so vociferously against homeopathy on scientific grounds why not open yourselves up to the possibility that it might work. Just go out and try it. I’ll help you get started: buy Arnica 200C pellets for concussion or severe injury leading to swelling, redness and soreness. Buy Cantharis 200C for bad burns (like from a grabbing a hot pot). Let your experience be the final arbiter.

    Alan

  96. Chris said

    Alan Guzik said “No science – just good old empiricism”

    Exactly. Absolutely.

    As far as your advice on “Buy Cantharis 200C for bad burns (like from a grabbing a hot pot). Let your experience be the final arbiter.”

    Actually you are better off running cool water from the tap over the burn from a hot pot. Which is exactly the same as your silly remedy if it is a 200C mix of water (which would need more water than exists in the known universe to find one molecule of “Cantharsis”).

    Cool compresses are also a fairly standard treatment for swelling, redness and soreness. For a concussion that is bad enough to cause vomiting and other symptoms, your magic potion will not work:
    http://www.emedicinehealth.com/concussion/page3_em.htm

    Now do try to get the matter of the ethics of treating terminally ill patients with AIDS with magical potions (you do claim should not be evaluated with science).

    Convince us the stuff actually works by showing us one incontrovertible case (WITH references, real references… not silly anecdotes) of homeopathy curing a non-self-limiting disease (like AIDS, rabies, type 1 diabetes).

  97. Pete said

    I would have thought that the Tanzanians would have investigated Sherrs clinic having received alarming emails from Gimpy et al almost 1 month ago. If he is still there then the Tanzanians cant consider him a threat to AIDS patients. Only they know what has actually gone on in Tanzania and it should be them who decide on the ethics issue.

  98. simone said

    To Chris and all who are interested – I suggest you listen to an interesting audio of prof. Vithoulkas lecturing in Germany about the science of homeopathy.

    http://www.vithoulkas.com/content/view/1953/130/lang,en/

    You may find valuable knowledge to serve you well.

  99. Simone said: “the science of homeopathy”. So, it’s a comedy, then?

  100. simone said

    As for scientific research re medicine read the following article of the BMJ:

    BMJ-British Medical Journal

    Some drug studies more likely to have favorable conclusions
    Financial ties and concordance between results and conclusions in meta-analyses: retrospective cohort
    Previous work has shown that, when a drug study was funded by the company that made that drug, the results might be biased in favour of that drug because the methods or analyses were manipulated.

    New research published on bmj.com today shows that, for blood pressure drugs, studies are now much less likely to have biased results but still tend to have overly positive conclusions favouring the company’s products.

    The authors call on editors and peer reviewers to scrutinise the conclusions of these studies to ensure that they contain an unbiased interpretation of the results.

    Meta-analyses represent the highest level of research evidence in the hierarchy of study types. They pool data from multiple studies to provide summary statistics on the effectiveness of a given treatment. They have a great deal of influence on patient care and healthcare policy and drug companies have started to reference meta-analyses in their advertisements.

    Previous studies have shown that randomised controlled trials with financial ties to single drug companies are more likely to have results and conclusions that favour the sponsor’s products, and a recent study suggests that the same holds true for meta-analyses.

    So researchers in the US set out to determine whether financial ties with single drug companies are associated with favourable results or conclusions in meta-analyses on blood pressure lowering (antihypertensive) therapies.

    A total of 124 meta-analyses were included in the study, 49 (40%) of which had single drug company financial ties. Differences in study design and quality were measured.

    Meta-analyses with single drug company financial ties were not associated with favourable results but were significantly more likely to have favourable conclusions, even when differences in study quality were taken into account.

    In fact, the data show that studies funded by a single drug company have a 55% rate of favourable results that is transformed into a 92% rate for favourable conclusions, representing a 37% gap. The gap shrinks to 21% (57% to 79%) when two or more drug companies provide support. Yet the gap vanishes entirely for studies done by non-profit institutions alone or even in conjunction with drug companies.

    These findings suggest a disconnect between the data that underlie the results and the interpretation or “spin” of these data that constitutes the conclusions, say the authors.

    The findings also expose a failure of peer review, add the authors, and should act as a wake-up call to editors and peer reviewers, as well as to policy-makers, meta-analysts, and readers. All of these groups should closely scrutinise the conclusions of meta-analyses to ensure that they contain an unbiased interpretation of results, they conclude.

    The clear inference from this study is that impartial studies are more reliable, say researchers in an accompanying editorial. However, rather than imposing legal restrictions on drug company funding or participation in these studies, they suggest that doctors should be warned to be cautious in interpreting the conclusions of studies.

  101. Loved the “Basic ideas of homeopathy” page (http://www.vithoulkas.com/content/view/1965/147/lang,en/). It’s blank.

  102. Chris said

    How can there be a “science of homeopathy” when they can’t even keep proper medical records and documentation? And that includes the homeopathic hospitals, it is criminal to not keep proper records.

    Anyway, in the news today:
    http://www.reuters.com/article/healthNews/idUSTRE51945220090210

    “FACTBOX: Africa the worst hit by AIDS, by far”

  103. simone said

    How it it possible to handle a dialogue with someone who denies the truth. The link is valid and produces a few audio lectures the first of which on top is the one on the idea of homeopathy, as given in a lecture in Germany.

    http://www.vithoulkas.com/content/view/1953/130/lang,en/

  104. simone said

    To Chris and many of you who use info out of total context re recorded cases in Homeopathy.

    Someone said that some of the cured cases are not even recorded and you took that out of context to make it a rule for all, to seem that homeopaths do not record their cases. There is a deliberate attempt in hiding vital knowledge from the public. You should know very well that:

    Every homeopath records the cases of his patients. There are many cases who have been treated as emergency, in road accidents, in wars, or post wars. many of those have been recorded and some not, because of obvious reasons to treat as many persons as possible over a stressed period of time. Most homeopaths carry with them an emergency kit.*)
    There are numberless cases these days recorded well in the computers of many thousands of homeopaths all over the world, since computers and homeopathic softwares era. Cases on the internet, in various classical homeopathy sites, and above all probably many millions of records in books and healings that occurred in provings over the 200 years all meticulously recorded to posterity, mostly written in the books included in software, as well as and in books in a host of libraries and homeopathy schools. Various publishers can help you with those. In England and Europe, in Russia, and over the whole world in many languages . These are the solid ground for a dynamic science that has developed and still goes on progressing to suit itself to the human strife in modern times.

    That apart from the myriad of cases recorded and not published of those who were treated during a few epidemics in Europe, USA in fact, this is how homeopathy gained its name over two centuries. Not even one remedy was taken off the shelf since the beginning of homeopathy. It will grow to serve ailing humanity. This is the best of hope towards wholesome health in this corrupt and spoiled time for medicine held hostage by the pharmaceutical gigantic companies who hold a few governments by financing and bribing health organixations. this will not go on forever, people are becoming aware of the lies and harm done.

    *)
    Quinn Elizabeth also carried an emergency kit with her when she went on Journeys, she treated herself and her entourage with the initial guidance of Dr. Margory Blacky – Lady Blacky, her private first doctor. The royalty in Britain has been treated now over 160 years by homeopaths.

  105. Chris said

    I have an invisible pink unicorn in my garden eating invisible golden apricots on the tree that just last week was covered in snow.

    Now prove to me it does not exist.

  106. simone said

    This is only one of successful trials:

    A. THE CLINICAL EFFECTS OF HOMEOPATHY ARE NOT DUE TO PLACEBO

    i. Ground-breaking work in Rhinitis and Asthma by Dr. Taylor-Reilly M.R.C.P.
    ii. Meta-analyses
    iii. Herbert Spencer’s ‘bar against knowledge’
    iv. Conclusion

    Doctors have traditionally thought that homeopathy ‘only’ has a placebo effect.

    The hypothesis that homeopathy has an effect that is no greater than that of placebo has been shown to be ‘null’. That is, it is not valid.

    Ground-breaking work in Rhinitis and Asthma by Dr. Taylor-Reilly M.R.C.P.
    Dr. Taylor-Reilly performed an elegant series of randomized double-blind prospective studies in rhinitis and asthma1,2,3,4 between 1985 and 2000. He demonstrated that homeopathically-prepared pollens could improve not only symptoms (measured using visual analogue scores), but also objective outcome-measures such as peak flow and nasal air-flow resistance.

    Dr. Taylor-Reilly failed to find any evidence in favour of a placebo hypothesis that fully explains the effects of homeopathy. The studies found that homeopathic preparations may show a clinical effect over and above their placebo action. Reilly’s 1994 study, published in the international journal, The Lancet, posed this challenging statement: “…either homeopathy is superior to placebo or the double-blind randomised controlled trial is not the gold standard we believe it to be…”
    (The double-blind randomized controlled trial is held to be the ultimate form of scientific testing in medicine).

    The results also suggest that homeopathic immuno-therapy may hold potential as a substitute for conventional
    desensitisation, which is a restricted practice in the United Kingdom.

    Metanalyses
    In excess of 200 randomized clinical trials, varying in quality of research, have been published concerning homeopathy. One way of assessing the over-all results of these different trials, is to pool them all together, in what is known as a ‘meta-analysis’, another of conventional medicine’s more acclaimed research tools.

    Four meta-analyses confirm that homeopathy’s effect can not be explained by that of placebo.
    Professor K. Linde, of the Centre for Complementary Medicine Research, Department of Internal Medicine, Munich University, delivered the following conclusion to his meta-analysis, published in The Lancet in 19975: “the results of our meta-analysis are not compatible with the hypothesis that the clinical effects of homoeopathy are completely due to placebo”.
    This meta-analysis showed that 42% of the trials that were pooled together were clearly positive for homeopathy and a further 39% showed a positive trend.

    Professor Kleijnen, an epidemiologist in the Department of Health Care Research, University of Limburg, The Netherlands, published the findings of his meta-analysis in the British Medical Journal6, in 1991.
    He made the robust statement that the evidence found “would probably be sufficient for establishing homoeopathy as a regular treatment for certain conditions”.
    Of 107 trials with interpretable results, 77 were positive for homeopathy. A sub-group of the most rigorous trials discovered that 15 out of 22 found homoeopathy to be superior to placebo.

    The European parliament ordered the Homeopathic Medicines Research Advisory Group to give an independent review after Linde’s analysis had been made. They selected 17 comparisons with 2,001 patients deemed suitable for rigorous statistical analysis and gave the following conclusion7:
    “it is likely that among the tested homeopathic approaches some had an added effect over nothing or placebo”.

    The Homeopathic Medicines Research Advisory Group

    Michal Yakir (PhD), S Kreitler (Prof); A Brzezinski (Dr), G Vithoulkas, M Oberboum (Dr) Z. Bentwich (Prof)
    (BHJ, July 2001, VOL. 90, No. 3. pp 148-153

    doi:10.1054/homp.1999.0491, “Effects of homeopathic treatment in women with premenstrual syndrome: a pilot study”

    Doctors MD, so many of them are trained homeopaths. They have invested years in conventional medicine and even some more years in studying homeopathy and practicing it.

  107. simone said

    In a statement to the press, George Lewith, Professor of Health Research at Southampton University in Great Britain, stated:

    The [Lancet] review gave no indication of which trials were analyzed nor of the various vital assumptions made about the data. This is not usual scientific practice. If we presume that homeopathy works for some conditions but not others, or change the definition of a ‘larger trial’, the conclusions change. This indicates a fundamental weakness in the conclusions: they are NOT reliable.
    The two recently published scientific papers that investigated the previous Lancet review conclude that an analysis of all high quality trials of homeopathy show positive outcomes. What is more, the eight larger and higher quality trials of homeopathy looked at a variety of medical conditions. The new studies point out that because homeopathy worked consistently for some of these ailments and not others, the results must indicate that homeopathic remedies cannot be simply placebos. In addition, the studies conclude that comparing homeopathy to conventional medicine was a meaningless apples-and-oranges approach. (The idiom “comparing apples and oranges” or “apples to oranges” is used to indicate that two items or groups of items have not been validly compared.) There are also concerns that the original anti-homeopathy review used unpublished criteria. For example, the researchers did not bother to define what they meant by “higher quality” homeopathy research.

  108. simone said

    Those who attack homeopathy without knowing what it is, being crooked is the ilness.

    You must suffer from a degree of inflexible joints to painful or total immobility so here is one trial designed for you especially:

    http://rheumatology.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/
    content/full/40/9/1052

  109. simone said

    Dr. Jean Marcel Ferret
    Doctor to the French Soccer team 1993-2004

    http://www.pponline.co.uk/subs/get/pp218.pdf

  110. Cybergibbons said

    Simone, thanks for continuing to prove that yourself and the homeopathic community are backwards.

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    • simone said

      The basis for your claim that Jeremy Sherr is blind to ethics is lacking, as homeopathic remedies are not placebos, even the Lancet jas written so in 1997 before it was bought off.

      The government of Tanzania welcomed Jeremy to work there on grounds of efficacy in the treatment of Aids and Malaria patients successfully previous to his arrival there. They are interested to build homeopathic schools. Whoever saw the video of Jeremy, Camilla, Sigbert and friends cannot but be convinced by their genuine intention and vision to do better for the people. This project is already on its way, and there is no letdown. Please watch the video:

      http://semiskimmed.net/woo/jeremy_sherr_AIDS/homoeopathy-helping-aids-sufferers-in.html

      This is an opportunity to experience a humane medicine.

      Moreover, Jeremy has not recommended the patients get off their ARV drugs, rather they have done it once helped with homeopathy, and/or because they had not been able to tolerate the side effects before even being treated, or afford the expensive drugs.

      It is such a great shame, Gimpy and co. whoever you may be. You could have done so much better,
      Being so well versed in the material – you know all what Jeremy has written and said about the matter to be true. Should you really care he has many proofs for everything he said.

      The health systems are already crumbling, from so much drugging patients as it is. One day people will have to resort to these inexpensive remedies, those who will be so much better off. In fact it is our experience in the clinics, that when an individual comes to be treated, he brings along many of his family and friends, especially family.

      What you do here and in other blogs is slander, tell sheer lies and libel and what is worse, in the costume of a protector of rights, which is in actual fact misleading and hypocritical.

      My colleagues and mystlf, can clearly see healing happening in cases some careful people, who do not take for granted what the Health Services offer and perscribe according to interests foreign to their wellbeing. These clever and lucky people look around and make the effort to find out the right way to go about their lives. It is my blief that your intention and aim is to distrupt their path to true healing. Luckily for them many already know better, which means you will have to try even harder, than just sticking to plain and sophisticated demagoguery – to serve all stratas of society and to its detriment.

      I even gave some examples here but they were erased for the reason that they did not treat ‘ethics’, which you clearly do not care for.

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  113. simone said

    http://www.hpathy.com/cartoon/2009feb.asp

  114. dro said

    “Homeopathic guru” – there is no such thing. Only proven cases for us homeopaths too – long term at that, and the state of mind improves along with the disapearance of symptoms. Jeremy is ceratinly a “Guru” that exemplifies the long term cure of very conmplicated cases.

  115. Sarah said

    This blog is a scam. Likely written by the pharmaceutical industry who has no intention of researching to find cure for disease. How else would they make thier money if they weren’t killing people slowly with meds?

    • notspock said

      Does anyone in Britain call drugs “meds”?

      Anyway – there are plenty of examples of diseases that just disappear with suitable medicine, they just becoming a thing of the past. Scarlet fever, large boils, scabies. Dare i say whooping cough, measles or polio. I can’t think of any others, probably because they are more or less stuck in the past.

      Erm Lyme disease. Catch it early and its gone, completely, with a very cheap and non-patented drug.

      If they really wanted to con us they’d just give us completely ineffective treatments.

      • yesalem said

        but the suppression of those have brought up worse diseases prevalent especially in vaccinated areas.
        Cancer of all sorts.
        Autoimmune diseases with no answer.
        MRSA
        c-difficile, what else have we got, tuberculosis, aids,
        vaccination of the malnourished in africa brought about aids.

        I would rather do without this sophisticated industry.
        I know what I am talking about

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