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General Chiropractic Council admit chiropractors may be ‘bogus’

Posted by gimpy on May 19, 2009

You may be aware that Simon Singh, the science writer and broadcaster, has been a victim of Britain’s odd libel laws and Judge Eady’s creative interpretation of the word bogus over an article he wrote for The Guardian.  Outstanding legal pillar of the sceptical community and blogger JackofKent describes Eady’s interpretation of bogus as follows:

The word “bogus” meant deliberate and targeted dishonesty. So it did not mean that chiropractic for the six named children’s ailments (including asthma) was simply wrong, or that it was contrary to established medical practice or research, or even that it completely lacked evidence.

“Bogus” meant a lot more. The judge held that by the mere use of the word “bogus” Simon Singh was stating that, as a matter of fact, the [British Chiropractic Association] BCA were being consciously dishonest in promoting chiropractic for those children’s ailments.

JackofKent continues:

The ruling means that, as it stands, Simon Singh would have to prove at full trial that the BCA were being deliberately dishonest. This is not only extremely difficult but it was undoubtedly not Simon Singh’s view in the first place. The BCA, as with many CAM practitioners, may well be deluded, irresponsible, and sometimes rather dangerous; but calling their promoted treatments “bogus” was not an express statement of their conscious dishonesty.

Interestingly it appears the General Chiropractic Council (GCC), regulators of the profession, have used the word bogus to describe some practitioners, their 2003/4 report begins:

The General Chiropractic Council (GCC) has spent a year working hard,maintaining momentum and keeping focused. Like all health regulators the GCC has a statutory duty to set standards of education,conduct and practice and maintain a register of appropriately qualified and experienced practitioners. It is,in part,through regulatory mechanisms that the public is protected from the bogus,the incompetent,the dangerous and the unprincipled health practitioner. Even though such individuals crop up relatively rarely we must identify and deal with them promptly,openly and firmly.

We can argue over the precise definition of the word bogus and the context the GCC used it in but it is certainly a term chiropractors have used self-critically, thus acknowledging its validity as a descriptive term for at least some chiropractors.

So how many bogus chiropractors are out there?  Well thanks to the Quackometer on the 5th of June we may just find out, so if you know a bogus chiropractor then tell the Quackometer.  After all the GCC admit they exist.

*update*

Posted something on an ASA judgment on a chiropractor’s claims today.

[BPSDB]

35 Responses to “General Chiropractic Council admit chiropractors may be ‘bogus’”

  1. Martin said

    5th of June, not July ;)

  2. Zeno said

    Nice one!

  3. Warhelmet said

    Awesome, dude!

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  5. yesalem said

    You all simply attack any discipline that does not make use of drugs.

    Since these disciplines do not belong in big farma, not even necessarily stand against using some of its products, You make sure you smash anything that has to do with natural means.

    The day is coming, the trechery of big farma is revealed. The small public that drugs, vaccines and pseudoscientific commercial brainwashing has not affected their ability to discern the truth from vileny, teh well intended and practiced from the lechery of the drug companies and their subservient doctors wherever they are. The money and power is yours – the goodness wil reign, soon.

    • notspock said

      Errr. no.

      Public health. Avoiding allergens. Avoiding rat piss. Mosquito nets. Drinking straws with filters in them. salty-sugary-water. Cutting my grass, and examining my privates (Lyme). Exercise. Washing hands. Using hankies. Eating your greens. Wearing a hat in the sun.

      All of the above coming from real scientific theory of disease.

    • Deebles said

      In addition to Notspock’s list:

      Surgical interventions. CPR. Avoiding mixing of sewage with drinking water. Assisted cessation of smoking. Assisted modification of diet, if necessary. Checking blood pressure. Being careful about sex to avoid HIV etc. Blood/tissue donation. I could go on, and on.

      Feel free, also, to debate the evidence for drugs and vaccines versus any alternative. To tell us what you’d do if you had syphilis, rather than take penicillin, or if you had malaria, rather than take artemether-combination therapy. Or to tell us precisely what the evidence is for the more out-there claims of Chiropracty, such as being able to fix a person’s kidneys by manipulating their spine. Or to name any other condition for which you would choose not to take the options offered by conventional medicine, and to name the alternative you would prefer.

    • notspock said

      Thanks Deebles, I like your tusks.

      I thought too of – phototherapy for jaundiced infants, physiotherapy (+light stretching and home massage (I used to have dodgy tendons)), never mind the whole area of psycotherapy etc.

      And to go off in another direction – what about drugs that doesnt make big pharma much money any more. non-patented, low cost stuff. aspirin, basic antibiotics, and dare one mention the return of thalidomide.

      None of which is bogus-if-you-look-at-the-results-or-science 19th century fantasy.

  6. I am entirely sympathetic to Simon Singh’s predicament, but I fail to see how this has any bearing on the matter.

    First, it sheds no useful light on what, exactly, ‘bogus’ might mean.

    Second, the GCC report is simply saying that when any chiropractic practitioner exhibits bogosity, they need to be dealt with ‘promptly, openly and firmly’. The GMC might quite reasonably have exactly the same policy toward any registered medical practitioner who appears to be ‘bogus’. This is almost the diametric opposite of Simon’s assertion that the British Chiropractic Association ‘happily promotes bogus treatments.’

    • gimpy said

      Oh come on, it’s just a little post drawing attention to the Quackometer’s plan and having a little dig at chiropractors being ‘bogus’. Of course the definition is likely different from that set out by Judge Eady, but his interpretation is different from the dictionary definition anyway.

      Expect a more serious post soon.

      • Oh I see! Chalk this up to a sense of humor failure on my part then. I hadn’t realized you were making some kind of joke.

        Now if we could only get Judge Eady to turn round and say that he was only joking too…

  7. Steve Jones said

    To be honest I see no contradiction here. If the BCA is describing a few members as being “bogus” practitioners and treating that as a term for those engaged in deliberately misleading treatments then it is consistent. Note I’m saying deliberately misleading in the context of what the BCA are stating are valid and acceptable treatments – the fact that what the BCA are promoting in several cases are treatments without anything remotely like robust medical evidence is clear. I think there is a very fair charge that they are less than rigorous in their approach to validating their claims. at least that is a set up from some CAM bodies who often seem to accept almost anything.

    Whatever the case, then I think it doesn’t help Simon Singh at all – it might even be the reverse if the BCA can demonstrate that they have ways of dealing with “bogus” practitioners, even if based on their own, questionable, standards. However, in some ways this is rather worse for critics of CAM bodies – if they have the veneer of respectability in dealing with professional standards of behaviour then that further gives credence to some very questionable basic evidence.

    • Steve Jones said

      oops – please ignore the last “part sentence” in the first para. An editing error.

  8. Stever said

    amusing, but I think i agree with Steve Jones – its not really inconsistent with the eady interpretation

    • gimpy said

      I didn’t argue it did. I was just slightly tickled about the GCC calling some chiropractors bogus. And as language log point out, the Eady interpretation is different from contemporary and past definitions of the word.

  9. Bardirect said

    Surprised that this site hasn’t previously looked at “Dr Robin Pauc”, an “expert in child neurology” and author of “Is That My Child?: A Parents Guide to Dyspraxia, Dyslexia, ADD, ADHD, OCD and Tourette’s Syndrome of Childhood” previously seen to be touting his wares on the GMTV sofa to gullible people.

    You would expect him to be a medical doctor and a neurologist but no he’s a “doctor” of chirporactic without a doctorate.

    Some years ago my wife dropped a line about him to Dr Goldacre leading to this:
    http://www.badscience.net/2006/04/when-in-doubt-call-yourself-a-doctor/#more-234.

    Unabashed he’s now peddling his theories in “Could it be You?: Overcoming Dyslexia, Dyspraxia, ADHD, OCD, Tourette’s Syndrome, Autism and Asperger’s Syndrome in Adults” co author :Carina Norris.

  10. Bardirect said: “Surprised that this site hasn’t previously looked at “Dr Robin Pauc”…”

    So many quacks, so little time…!

  11. Michael Gray said

    Chiropractic is BOGUS

  12. most osteopaths call themselves Dr

  13. [...]  Gimpys Blog shows how the GCC stated in 2004 there are bogus chiropractors out there and they will root them out. They Quackometer is trying to get sceptics on all the Google searches of chiropractic. [...]

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  15. tom said

    Blah blah blah, every profession has good and bad, the argument on the efficacy of chiropractic has been going on for a hundred years.

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  18. Catherine Mills said

    A title- what is it?? letters, words, but means nothing.

    Dr Igor I can vouch for as being the best at his job and has the energy of a real healer as medical professionals are supposed to be, unlike programmed GP’s who assist the chemical industry in selling various poisons to patients whom uner oath they are supposed to do not harm to.

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