10:23, homeopaths missing the point
Posted by gimpy on January 30, 2010
Today at 10:23, there will be an event, organised by Merseyside Skeptics but taking place nationwide, in which homeopathic pills will be taken in large quantities to prove that not 0nly do they have no effect, but there is is nothing in them. This fact, although probably known to most readers of this blog, homeopaths and skeptics alike, is not apparently as well known as it should be.
Homeopaths will insist that their remedies work by vibrational energies and quantum flapdoodle whereas skeptics, armed with metaanalyses, will declare quite simply that they don’t work and any perception that they do is due to a placebo effect, regression to the mean or other forms of cognitive bias.
Both homeopaths and skeptics will insist that taking large amounts of homeopathic pills is safe, skeptics because there is nothing in them, homeopaths because their beliefs say they work best singly and ritually.
What has interested me, and I have no involvement with the campaign, is the reaction of homeopaths to this harmless stunt. Instead of laughing it off as the antics of silly skeptics (not a view I concur with), they have become increasingly nasty and vicious with attacks on proven medical therapies, personal slurs against individuals and spoof blogs that fail to engage with the issues. Not only that the professional societies have showed absolutely no understanding of why homeopathy is the target.
Over the last few years there has been a steadily increasing amount of blogging highlighting the ethical and professional failures of homeopaths, from claims to treat aids, homeopathic vaccinations and their deliberate denigration of conventional medicine (oddly unattributed in much mainstream coverage of 10:23, it’s shame that hard working bloggers are not given the credit they deserve).
The professional societies haven’t confronted this, preferring instead to bury their heads in the sand. This has persisted with the press releases on the 10:23 campaign.
The Alian(ARH) claim (PDF):
The real question that needs to be addressed is not the safety of homeopathy, but why homeopathy is such an effective medical therapy, and why so many people throughout the world, and for over two centuries now, have used it with such success.
There are numerous high quality scientific studies that clearly demonstrate the effectiveness of homeopathy. The challenge facing the bona- fide scientific community is to discover why homeopathy is so effective.
This is best diplomatically described as bullshit (Shang et al disproves the statement above).
The Society of Homeopaths (SoH) have opted instead for the moral high ground:
The Society would not therefore expect any reaction to the proposed ‘overdose’ by this group unless, by chance, an individual in that group already had symptoms that matched that remedy at the time of taking it.
Chief Executive, Paula Ross, commented “This is an ill advised publicity stunt in very poor taste, which does nothing to advance the scientific debate about how homeopathy actually works.”
A publicity stunt in poor taste maybe, but when you are going to argue that it helps if you’re not funding homeopathic AIDS trials in Tanzania. Some might argue that this is not only in poor taste but may in fact be tantamount to manslaughter.
The British Homeopathic Assoiation (BHA), representing medical homeopaths, also claim the moral high ground:
The Faculty of Homeopathy and BHA do not support the sole use of homeopathy for any serious disease when effective conventional treatment is available to, and tolerated by, the individual patient. Homeopathy is, however, often used with great patient satisfaction for support during conventional treatments.
It would be a catastrophe if a small minority of cynics stifle patient choice of access to what they find effective. NHS patients have benefited greatly from homeopathic treatment at a very small cost – with approximately £152,000 per annum spent on homeopathic medicines, which is a mere 0.001% of the NHS drug budget.
The BHA have also forgotten/denied the findings of Shang et al. Also they have never confronted lay homeopaths over their excesses so can be assumed complicit in these.
Meanwhile the Homeopathy Heals campaign group have launched a counter protest which intends to help skeptics take their pills.
Homeopathic Practitioners all over the UK, can also go and check out whether these Skeptics really do swallow a whole bottle of Boots homeopathic medicine. I have found out that after you unscrew the top of a bottle of Boots homeopathic medicine, there is a little hole to dispense one pill at a time and this part does not lift off, so it would be impossible to swallow the whole bottle without cutting the bottle open. Therefore some Skeptics will have to take them one at a time!
I was going to leave homeopathy alone for a bit, but as its exponents continue to demonstrate their inability to deal with substantive criticisms and as the professional societies contine to lie and deceive I’ve changed my mind.
I would like to thank Merseyside Skeptics for a well executed protest and the homeopaths for being so stupid.


warhelmet said
Whilst the homeopathic trade associations do miss the point, they have managed not to score any own goals. Individual homeopaths, especially those who are more active on the internet, have managed to damage their own credibility and the credibility of homeopathy. Whilst they might not have much credibility in the eyes of the skeptic community, the problem is that the more they say, the easier is to point people at examples of the strange, erm, beliefs that some homeopaths hold.
Of course, readers of your blog are well aware of some homeopaths interest in, say, AIDS denialists, but I’m not sure that all of those who latched onto 10:23 were aware. Many of them will be now. And the uncritical support of Mike Adams’ attempts to win the Shorty Award for #health is another spectacular own goal.
pv said
I think this is an own goal of magnificent proportions, from the Daily Telegraph http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/7028989/Boots-hit-by-mass-homeopathy-overdose.html :
Cristal Sumner, chief executive of the British Homeopathic Association, attacked the overdose as a “stunt” and said clinical trials showed that homeopathy was effective.
“Homeopathy only works on particular symptoms, so the idea that they can prove any point with a fake overdose just highlights the ignorance of the protesters,” she said.
“There’s a growing body of evidence that homeopathy works. The majority of clinical trials have been positive rather than negative.
I’d go so far as to say Cristal Sumner’s pants are a blazing inferno, and she knows it. She should produce the “clinical trials” to which she refers, just so we can see whether they are merely shoddy or downright fraudulent – or non-existent.
Felix said
I think this is quite a useful quote to remember:
“The Faculty of Homeopathy and BHA do not support the sole use of homeopathy for any serious disease when effective conventional treatment is available”
It basically says, “Homeopathy – it’s better than nothing”, which in the sense of homeopathy being a placebo is exactly right – it’s better to take something and benefit from the placebo effect than take nothing at all.
pv said
So medical fraud is ok?
Mojo said
“Therefore some Skeptics will have to take them one at a time!”
Hang on – I thought the homoeopaths were claiming that if all the pills were taken at the same time they wouldn’t be expected to have any effect.
And now we find that they had to be taken one at a time…
Mojo said
“The Society would not therefore expect any reaction to the proposed ‘overdose’…”
Nor would that nice Professor Lewith, apparently: Ultramolecular homeopathy has no observable clinical effects.
Andy said
“would like to thank Merseyside Skeptics for a well executed protest”
Thanks Gimpy
That’s very much appreciated. I also appreciate the point you make about the body of back breaking blogging work that has preceded and contributed to this campaign. It all went surprisingly smoothly.
We did, at Merseyside Skeptics Society put a great deal of man hours into this campaign. But every hour felt like it was being paid back manifold by the efforts in Twitter, blogosphere and all the crazy ideas people came up with to support it.
We were humbled and proud to have been a part of releasing that pent up energy.
The British skeptical community has a voice. I think yesterday we were heard.
Cheers
Andy
nobby said
at least the New Zealand Council of Homeopaths come up with a great point about why the overdose could not work in their press release :
“1. The concept of “ overdosing” is one that is peculiar to
conventional medicine where material doses are used. In
homeopathic remedies above the 12th potency no molecule of the
material substance remains. Therefore overdosing cannot happen.”
its nice to see a statement like that in position number one of press release before all of the usual gobbledygook.
http://maryglaisyer.com/2010/01/press-release-mass-overdose/
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Rachel said
What any of you have failed to demonstrate is a clear understanding of a) what homeopathy is and b) how homeopathy works. Sure, it is easy to stand something up to a test that won’t yeild results because it isn’t at all relevant, and claim victory… easy, but stupid. And I suggest on that basis a complete waste of time.
More disturbingly, it seems to have extracted from the woods all the homeopathy ‘haters’, which through their proud vocal support of this anti-homeopathy stunt have shown not only their ingnorance, but perhaps uncovered the basis behind it, just that – they don’t understand.
I suggest before jumping on a soapbox and adding your support to something you have clearly have no knowledge about, you do a bit of research. Sensationalising statements like ‘homeopathy cures aids’ and then claiming medical fraud is not a valid arguement. I could say a million and one statements like that about current medical treatments, but that form of debate is for fools.
I see no point in making something sound worse in order to make yourself look better – that’s what people with low self-esteem do. And besides, focusing on the bad aspects of medicine would be ignoring all the wonderful, life-saving aspects of it we should be thankful for.
If you really do want to have a dig at homeopathy – then get a properly qualified practitioner, have a true set of symptoms to be treated, have a remedy selected on the basis of those symptoms, given in a dose (i.e. potency and repetition) suited to the case, and then analyse the results.
These blogs claim that the stunt has unveiled the stupidity of homeopaths in their responses and outrage. I suggest the stunt itself has unveiled the stupidity of the participants and their supporters – to even suggest such an act has any validity at all. How ironic these blogs were to read…