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		<title>HMC:21 &#8211; hammering the nails into homeopathy</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[The House of Commons Science and Techology Committee are holding an inquiry into the evidence base for homeopathy and government policy.  The deadline for written submissions was earlier this month and many individuals and organisations, from all sides of the homeopathy debate, will have submitted evidence.  Including among this are H:MC21, organisation dedicated to informing [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=gimpyblog.wordpress.com&blog=1769773&post=710&subd=gimpyblog&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>The <a href="http://www.parliament.uk/parliamentary_committees/science_technology/s_t_homeopathy_inquiry.cfm">House of Commons Science and Techology Committee are holding an inquiry into the evidence base for homeopathy and government policy</a>.  The deadline for written submissions was earlier this month and many individuals and organisations, from all sides of the homeopathy debate, will have submitted evidence.  Including among this are <a href="http://www.hmc21.org/">H:MC21</a>, organisation dedicated to informing the public about homeopathy, from the perspective of homeopaths.</p>
<p>In their latest newsletter H:MC21 have proudly stated that:</p>
<blockquote><p>We have sent a submission to a Parliamentary Innovation, Universities, Science and Skills Committee, which is looking at evidence for homeopathy as part of assessing the Government’s use of evidence in policy-making.</p></blockquote>
<p>Unfortunately for H:MC21 the newsletter starkly lays out some of the most serious problems with homeopathy:</p>
<p><strong>Low quality evidence</strong></p>
<p><strong>Support for unethical AIDS trials</strong></p>
<p><strong>A tendency to ignore criticism</strong></p>
<p><strong>Anti vaccine attitudes</strong></p>
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<p><strong>Low quality evidence</strong></p>
<p>The H:MC21 newsletter cites two papers as supporting homeopathy.</p>
<p>Influence of very low doses of mediators on fungal laccase activity &#8211; nonlinearity beyond imagination<br />
Nonlinear Biomedical Physics 2009, 3:10<br />
<a href="http://homeopathyworkedforme.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=6398adcc24f33b9ef463e8e8b&amp;id=48fa9a91e7&amp;e=w23wIAC0pc">doi:10.1186/1753-4631-3-10</a></p>
<p>Electromagnetic Signals Are Produced by Aqueous Nanostructures<br />
Derived from Bacterial DNA Sequences</p>
<p>Interdiscip Sci Comput Life Sci (2009) 1: 81–90<br />
<a href="http://homeopathyworkedforme.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=6398adcc24f33b9ef463e8e8b&amp;id=9a670df7ad&amp;e=w23wIAC0pc">DOI: 10.1007/s12539-009-0036-7</a></p>
<p>While I have not read the first paper in any detail the second has come under considerable criticism from both <a href="http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2009/10/why-i-am-nominating-luc-montagnier-for.html">the quackometer</a> and <a href="http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=2081&amp;cpage=1">science based medicine</a>.  The quackometer in particular is quite cutting about the paper accusing Luc Montagnier, the Nobel prize winner, of ripping off a long discredited patent and suggesting he be awarded an Ignobel prize.  This latter paper, by the way, was published in a journal edited by Montagnier and was not peer reviewed, if  a Nobel prize winner is reduced to self publishing you know something is not quite right.  The first paper is published in Nonlinear Biomedical Physics, a journal which does not appear to have an impact factor suggesting it is of little credibility. It certainly is not where you would publish information proving that accepted theories of physics and chemistry are wrong, which any experiment supporting homeopathy would do.</p>
<p><strong>Support for unethical AIDS trials</strong></p>
<p>H:MC21 have reported on a homeopathic AIDS trial in glowing terms.</p>
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<div>With funding from the Aids Remedy Fund foundation, a pilot study in Kenya has proven the new homeopathic remedy <em>Iquilai</em> to be very effective in improving the clinical status of patients with HIV/Aids.</div>
<div>The remedy was developed by Dr.Jan Scholten, one of the world’s leading researchers and writers in the field of homeopathy. The study was conducted by him and Dr. Leo van Gelder, the co-founder of the organisation <em>Homeopathy without Borders</em>. Some 250 HIV/Aids patients were treated with <em>Iquilai</em>; the treatment group included patients under ARV treatment and those not under any ARV therapy (according to WHO, standard antiretroviral therapy consists of the use of at least three antiretroviral (ARV) drugs to maximally suppress the HIV virus and stop the progression of HIV disease). Patients were not taken off their conventional treatment. More than 90% of the patients in both groups showed improvement in their health, with CD4 tests (a blood test measuring the number of lymphocytes that maintain the operation of the human immune system) showing an average increase of 123 points.</div>
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<div><a href="http://www.aidsremedyfund.org/files/arf_info.pdf">You can find the paper here</a>.  You may notice that there is no control group where homeopathy was not provided, thus there is no way of determining if a homeopathic intervention showed an effect over and above that of a placebo.  This makes the trial worthless.  It is bad enough that homeopaths will carry out experiments on the terminally ill with no thought of ethics or consequence, it is even worst that there is no value in these experiments.</div>
<div><strong>A tendency to ignore criticism</strong></div>
<p>H:MC21 say</p>
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<div>In our May newsletter we told you how Darwin tested ultra-high dilutions. Now an article by Dana Ullman, MPH, America&#8217;s leading spokesperson for homeopathy and the founder of <a href="http://homeopathyworkedforme.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=6398adcc24f33b9ef463e8e8b&amp;id=111b3e3302&amp;e=w23wIAC0pc" target="_blank"><span style="color:#800080;">www.homeopathic.com</span> </a>, has been publish about Darwin’s encounter with homeopathy.</div>
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<div>For those who aren&#8217;t familiar with the story behind Dana and Darwin then, once more, the quackometer is <a href="http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/08/charles-darwin-and-homeopathy.html">where you should go</a>. In summary Dana makes claims that Darwin was both treated by and supported homeopathy, a position contradicted by the writings of Darwin himself.</div>
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<div>It is true that Darwin took homeopathic cures, but it is also obvious that he only did this as part of the hospital regime he was in and that he was utterly contemptuous of the practice.</div>
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<div>Sadly Dana has ignored the criticism despite being well aware of it (I urge you to read the comments where Dana pitches in) and continues to make fanciful claims to which he has been provided with ample evidence showing that he is wrong.  Recently he has made this claims in both the <a href="http://homeopathyworkedforme.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=6398adcc24f33b9ef463e8e8b&amp;id=59ae32dbb5&amp;e=w23wIAC0pc">eCAM journa</a>l and the <a href="http://homeopathyworkedforme.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=6398adcc24f33b9ef463e8e8b&amp;id=55ad520b62&amp;e=w23wIAC0pc">Huffington Post</a>, where he is indulged with a blog.</div>
<div><strong>Anti vaccine attitudes</strong></div>
<p>H:MC21 say</p>
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<div>Several supporters as well as visitors at Camexpo have asked us about the swines flu vaccine. Below we have collated some of the very latest very information; do listen especially to the Polish Health Minister!</div>
<div>The Polish Prime Minister is asking European Union health officials  – pressing for countries to buy vaccines – whether they will guarantee the safety of these as drug companies refuse to do so.  <a href="http://homeopathyworkedforme.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=6398adcc24f33b9ef463e8e8b&amp;id=d27ce4bde7&amp;e=w23wIAC0pc" target="_blank">Click here to watch the YouTube video</a>.</div>
<div>The Polish Health Minister is asking why pandemics have not been declared in previous years given that each year many many more people die of the seasonal flu. She is also asking why she should agree to jeopardise Polish people’s health when the vaccines on offer have not been properly tested, and when drug companies refuse to take responsibility for any complications the vaccines might produce.  <a href="http://homeopathyworkedforme.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=6398adcc24f33b9ef463e8e8b&amp;id=97b2e9790e&amp;e=w23wIAC0pc" target="_blank">This is the link</a>.</div>
<div>We can only add that we wish our government had ask these questions on our behalf.   Instead, the UK is one of the countries most vigorously promoting vaccination, whilst – as was widely publicised &#8211; many UK doctors and nurses refuse to be vaccinated. According to the <a href="http://homeopathyworkedforme.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=6398adcc24f33b9ef463e8e8b&amp;id=3dcfa5c011&amp;e=w23wIAC0pc" target="_blank">Nursing Times </a>(November 8), the Department of Health is in the dark about the general uptake of the vaccine.</div>
<div>Detailed information about the GlaxoKlineSmith vaccine <em>Pandemrix</em> including the main ingredients can be found in <a href="http://homeopathyworkedforme.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=6398adcc24f33b9ef463e8e8b&amp;id=578bc4a27e&amp;e=w23wIAC0pc" target="_blank">this official document </a>(see especially pages 2 and 13).  We found this information on the NHS Choices <a href="http://homeopathyworkedforme.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=6398adcc24f33b9ef463e8e8b&amp;id=e8dd06c3cc&amp;e=w23wIAC0pc" target="_blank">Swine flu web page</a> . The link provided there to the Baxter vaccine ingredients page does not seem to work.</div>
<div>If you <span style="text-decoration:underline;">do</span> want the vaccine but it is not yet available at your local surgery, or they have run out because of the huge uptake, <a href="http://homeopathyworkedforme.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=6398adcc24f33b9ef463e8e8b&amp;id=7653f9ea26&amp;e=w23wIAC0pc" target="_blank">here </a>you can learn how to make your own supply for the whole family.</div>
<div>We can point you to many other good sources of information about swine flu and swine flu vaccines; please contact us if you would like to know more.</div>
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<p>It is clear by the mocking tone and dubious links that H:MC21 are happy to undermine public health vaccination efforts through scaremongering rather than cold headed risk assessment.</p>
<p><strong>Conclusion</strong></p>
<p>The Science and Technology committee has considerable power and among its members includes many MPs who are sceptical of homeopathy.  For homeopathy to be considered sympathetically homeopaths will have to make strong arguments for the benefits of a treatment of no proven efficacy in certain situations, arguably in palliative care or for the worried well, by stating the value of the caring application of placebo, and argue on the basis of placebo they should because that is what the evidence suggests.  It will have to demonstrate that its practitioners do not undermine healthcare options of proven efficacy, have an appreciation of ethics and are willing to allow evidence to change their practice. Only by doing this may it stand a chance of being reviewed sympathetically</p>
<p>What homeopaths should not do is demonstrate a tendency to argue that weak papers in dubious journals represent proof of its efficacy, that it can treat and cure terminal illness, that its proponents have minds closed to changing in the face of evidence and that it actively undermines evidence based medicine.  Unfortunately H:MC21 seem to believe in this latter option, I wonder what their submission to the committee looks like?  If it is of the same quality as their newsletter then they will have handed hammer, nails and coffin lid to the select committee and invited them to bury any chance of support for the profession.</p>
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		<title>House of Numbers backed by quacks</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 12:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You may have heard that the Spectators screening of House of Numbers and the follow up debate have now been cancelled, however, I doubt those of us who follow the antics of alternative therapists will have heard the last of this film.  A major source of information for alternative practitioners is Mike Adams&#8217; Natural News [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=gimpyblog.wordpress.com&blog=1769773&post=708&subd=gimpyblog&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>You may have heard that the <a href="http://www.badscience.net/2009/10/this-is-what-the-spectator-sent-when-they-cancelled-their-aids-denialism-extravaganza/">Spectators screening of House of Numbers and the follow up debate have now been cancelled</a>, however, I doubt those of us who follow the antics of alternative therapists will have heard the last of this film.  A major source of information for alternative practitioners is Mike Adams&#8217; Natural News site, while this might at first glance look like the rantings of a lunatic fringe in reality Mike Adams is more a barber surgeon of alternative medicine, <a href="http://www.google.com/cse?cx=017254414699180528062%3Auyrcvn__yd0&amp;q=mike+adams+site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fscienceblogs.com%2Finsolence%2F&amp;sa=Search">slicing and dicing science to transplant evidence with fear and paranoia</a>* to fuel the sense of persecution of the online alternative health movement. Online forums and alternative health websites frequently cite Natural News as a source for their opinions.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.naturalnews.com/027355_AIDS_HIV_disease.html">Now he is plugging House of Numbers with typical appeals to paranoia and pushing the tropes of alternative health as a means to a cure</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>The collection of immune suppression symptoms typically labeled &#8220;AIDS&#8221; could be far more effectively treated with naturopathic health strategies, including aggressive detoxification strategies, the removal of heavy metals, the avoidance of environmental synthetic chemicals (in foods, drugs, personal care products, homes and offices) and the addition of powerful immune-boosting herbs, foods and superfoods.</p>
<p>Essentially, <strong>AIDS can be cured</strong> in much the same way cancer can be cured: By radically altering food intake and lifestyle decisions to support a vibrant, healthy immune system.</p></blockquote>
<p>This is nonsense.  Neither AIDS nor cancer can be cured by a change of lifestyle.  However, I think we will begin to see swellings of support for House of Numbers by alternative therapists as a result of this article.  A lot of alternative health practitioners believe in a big pharma conspiracy that suppresses information and creates disease to sell drugs, Mike Adams is simply validating what they believe they already know.  There is already considerable interest in listening to the opinions of aids denialists, <a href="http://gimpyblog.wordpress.com/2009/09/16/west-london-homeopaths-organise-talk-by-aids-denialist-janine-roberts/">with homeopaths organising seminars</a>,<a href="http://holfordwatch.info/category/aids/"> &#8216;nutrionists&#8217; such as Patrick Holford</a> believing that vitamin C can treat AIDS and <a href="http://gimpyblog.wordpress.com/category/matthias-rath/">pro-alternative health lobby groups collaborating with the likes of Matthias Rath</a>, whose views are in part responsible for <a href="http://aidstruth.org/denialism/mortalcombat">in excess of 300,000 deaths in South Africa alone</a>.</p>
<p>To those alternative therapists who read this blog I would urge you, rather than consider the opinions of Mike Adams, to read the content on this site<a href="http://houseofnumbers.org/"> from those misrepresented by House of Numbers instead</a>.  Then you might learn it is not the scientists and drug companies who distort reality for their own ends but those who push fear, paranoia, deceit and denialism from within the alternative health movement.</p>
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<p>* This link goes to the peerless orac who has the patience and the stomach to expose the twisted innards and tripe of Natural News.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Homeopath and former biochemist Lionel Milgrom has previously accused, erroneously, David Colquhoun of a lack of scholarship in an article on chiropractic and suggested that this questions his credibility.  This was shortly after Milgrom himself published an article whose scholarship is currently being elegantly dissected by apgaylard to expose a logical vacuum where the heart [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=gimpyblog.wordpress.com&blog=1769773&post=702&subd=gimpyblog&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>Homeopath and former biochemist Lionel Milgrom has <a href="http://www.dcscience.net/?p=2222">previously accused, erroneously, David Colquhoun</a> of a lack of scholarship in an article on chiropractic and suggested that this questions his credibility.  This was shortly after Milgrom himself published an article <a href="http://apgaylard.wordpress.com/2009/09/06/a-homeopathic-refutation-part-one">whose scholarship</a> is currently being <a href="http://apgaylard.wordpress.com/2009/09/13/a-homeopathic-refutation-%E2%80%93-part-two/">elegantly dissected</a> by <a href="http://apgaylard.wordpress.com/2009/09/25/a-homeopathic-refutation-part-three/">apgaylard</a> to expose a logical vacuum where the heart of an argument shoud be.  Now Dr Milgrom has possibly libelled the science journalist Simon Singh, who is himself <a href="http://www.senseaboutscience.org.uk/index.php/site/project/333/">being sued for libel by the British Chiropractic Association (BCA)</a>.  In an article published in the Journal of Alternative and Complementary medicine (JACM), &#8216;<a href="http://www.liebertonline.com/doi/abs/10.1089/acm.2009.0422">CAM, Free Speech, and the British Legal System: Overstepping the Mark?</a>&#8216;, Milgrom makes the claim in the abstract that:</p>
<blockquote><p>The British Chiropractic Association recently won a libel case against the science writer and CAM ‘skeptic’ Dr Simon Singh for publishing an article in a British newspaper in which he accused them of promoting ‘bogus’ treatments.</p></blockquote>
<p>This is not true, t<a href="http://jackofkent.blogspot.com/2009/10/permission-granted.html">he case is under appeal </a>over a definition of the word &#8216;bogus&#8217; concerning its use in the alleged libellous article by Simon Singh but it has not gone to trial, there has been no verdict of libel and certainly no compensation paid as Milgrom claims later in the article.  It is false to claim that Simon Singh was found guilty of libel.  To claim otherwise could be seen as an attempt to damage the reputation of Singh with a false allegation, and thus, under Britain&#8217;s flawed libel laws, an accusation of libel could be made.</p>
<p>I doubt this will happen though.  Simon Singh has made a principled argument based on the need for scientific discussion to be carried out free of the threat of libel.  Milgrom&#8217;s article could be seen as a valid opinion on this particular argument.  Unfortunately though it is in part based on a demonstrably false observation. It is customary in science for an article to be retracted if it contains serious error and I believe that this article does.  Making false accusations that an individual has been find guilty of a offence in a court of law is undoubtedly a serious error.</p>
<p>I would urge Dr Milgrom to write to the editors of JACM and request that this article be retracted.</p>
<p>This article may be updated to include further comment.  Dr Milgrom was contacted with respect to this earlier today and I hope to carry a statement from him.</p>
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		<title>The Spectator and House of Numbers *update 2*</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 15:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fraser Nelson over at the Spectator Blog is justifying The Spectator&#8217;s forthcoming showing of &#8216;House of Numbers&#8217; as follows:
Is it legitimate to discuss the strength of the link between HIV and Aids? It’s one of these hugely emotive subjects, with a fairly strong and vociferous lobby saying that any open discussion is deplorable and tantamount [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=gimpyblog.wordpress.com&blog=1769773&post=697&subd=gimpyblog&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p><a href="http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/5461313/questioning-the-aids-consensus.thtml">Fraser Nelson over at the Spectator Blog</a> is justifying The Spectator&#8217;s<a href="http://www.spectator.co.uk/shop/events/5402473/spectator-debate-a-world-without-aids.thtml"> forthcoming showing</a> of &#8216;House of Numbers&#8217; as follows:</p>
<blockquote><p>Is it legitimate to discuss the strength of the link between HIV and Aids? It’s one of these hugely emotive subjects, with a fairly strong and vociferous lobby saying that any open discussion is deplorable and tantamount to Aids denialism. Whenever any debate hits this level, I get deeply suspicious.</p></blockquote>
<p>The link between HIV and AIDS is <a href="http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/medicine/laureates/2008/press.html">indisputable according to the scientific evidence</a>.  AIDS denialism has also contributed to the deaths of <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18931626">over 300,000 people in South Africa alone</a>.</p>
<p>I am not sure what Fraser Nelson is suspicious of.  I suspect he is just drumming up support for the screening and debate.</p>
<p>However, the debate is extremely unlikely to be helpful to the public understanding of HIV, AIDS and the relevant pseudo-science.  Of the panel Richard Wilson <a href="http://richardwilsonauthor.wordpress.com/2009/10/08/when-pseudo-debate-is-worse-than-no-debate-at-all/">has pointed out that</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>all three ‘expert’ panelists have, at one time or another, adopted fringe views on HIV and AIDS, and been active in disputing the established scientific consensus. Of the five panel members chosen, only one [...] appears unambiguously to share the view held by the overwhelming majority of scientists currently involved in AIDS research.</p></blockquote>
<p>I am not sure what the Spectator are aiming to achieve here.  Their senior staff are not fools and I find it difficult to believe they are unaware of the lack of credibility of &#8216;House of Numbers&#8217;.  This is likely little more than a misguided attempt at publicity.  What is likely to happen however, is that they will have large numbers of crazed AIDS denialists in the audience <a href="http://www.baywindows.com/index.php?ch=news&amp;sc=glbt&amp;sc2=news&amp;sc3=&amp;id=90259">screaming and shouting at those who criticise the film</a>, their blog comments will be overrun with cranks and quacks and they will be regarded as part of a healthcare problem.</p>
<p>*update*</p>
<p>In 2004 The Spectator carried an article title &#8220;<a href="http://www.spectator.co.uk/essays/all/12613/part_1/aids-denial-costs-lives.thtml">AIDS denial costs lives</a>&#8220;.  Perhaps Fraser Nelson can allay some of his suspicions by reading his own magazine.</p>
<p>*update 2*</p>
<p>The Spectator have <a href="http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=2732069&amp;id=40491054861">apparently carried an article from Neville Hodgkinson</a> in support of the film. Hodgkinson was the science journalist at the Times when they took a stance that questioned a link between HIV and AIDS in the late 80s/early 90s.</p>
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		<title>Raindance Film Festival Endorse AIDS Denialism Part II</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Earlier I blogged on the decision by the Raindance Film Festival to show the AIDS denialist documentary &#8216;House of Numbers&#8217; and the endorsement given to it by the festival through Xavier Rashid and Elliot Grove, the festival&#8217;s founder. Since then I have been in contact with Mr Grove and presented to him evidence of the [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=gimpyblog.wordpress.com&blog=1769773&post=692&subd=gimpyblog&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><div>Earlier <a href="http://gimpyblog.wordpress.com/2009/10/04/film-festival-endorse-aids-denialism/">I blogged on the decision by the Raindance Film Festival to show the AIDS denialist documentary &#8216;House of Numbers&#8217; and the endorsement given to it by the festival through Xavier Rashid and Elliot Grove, the festival&#8217;s founder</a>. Since then I have been in contact with Mr Grove and presented to him evidence of the harm the ideas behind &#8216;House of Numbers&#8217; have caused and argued that its promotion risks further harm.  Mr Grove has agreed to allow me to publish the following, unedited, statement from him:</div>
<blockquote><p>I chose and agreed to play House of Numbers for three reasons, all of which fit the Raindance Film Festival criteria:</p>
<p>- debut filmmaker<br />
- quality filmmaking<br />
- an extreme message which I decided after hours of research and debate with my team, deserved to be seen and heard.</p>
<p>I grew up in Somalia and have first hand knowledge of the destruction wrought on that continent by &#8216;aid&#8217;. I also live in the UK and witnessed the hysteria and misinformation wrought by the so-called swine flu epidemic</p>
<p>MAny of my closest friends are AIDS/HIV positive, and several have died as a result of AZT or other AIDS related illnesses.</p>
<p>I do not, not have ever denied AIDS/HIV. I feel that the arguments surrounding the AIDS issue amy not be exactly as I have been told, as indeed the real cause of the 9/112 tragedy might not be what they seem, as Charlie Sheen is saying.</p>
<p>I am glad we showed the film. I wish we had worked harder to reach more people with it. As a filmmaker, like the director Brent Leung,  it is difficult to balance the financial aspects of distribution with the economic realities of film production.</p>
<p>I think the postiive actions of showing House of Numbers, and the debate it has caused will help anyone concerned with issues of health and hopefully will enable anyone living under the curse of HIV/AIDS hope for a better life.</p>
<p>Elliot Grove<br />
Founder<br />
Raindance Film Festival<br />
British Independent Film Awards</p></blockquote>
<p>As well as the three reasons for showing the film that Mr Grove presents above I would suggest a fourth, money.  The following <a href="https://shootingpeople.org/join/example_bulletin.php?bulletin=6#msg_345731">communication</a> is from an independent film makers forum, and it clearly shows that there were concerns from some parties prior to Raindance of the wisdom of showing it but the financial benefits of doing so were the most immediate concern of Mr Grove.</p>
<blockquote><p>Re: Is House of Numbers an AIDS denialist film?</p>
<p><a rel="nofollow" href="https://shootingpeople.org/cards/seraphim" target="_blank"></a>I haven&#8217;t actually seen House of Numbers so I&#8217;m not commenting directly on it but it has certainly been causing a fair amount of concern, as in this article from Ben Goldacre in the Guardian:<br />
<a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/sep/26/ben-goldacre-bad-science-aids" target="_blank">http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/sep/26/ben-goldacre-bad-s (&#8230;)</a><br />
Worth a read. If he&#8217;s right about the distortion of facts, cherry picking of quotes and murky funding behind this film, then I&#8217;m not sure it isn&#8217;t a little irresponsible to be showing it, to be honest, given what&#8217;s at stake with this subject.</p></blockquote>
<p>Mr Grove&#8217;s response:</p>
<blockquote><p>We are getting legal letters, telephone calls, threatening emails claiming about the screening of House Of Numbers this Thursday at 2:30pm. Ive never never seen anything like it.<br />
Legal letters delivered by courier from America &#8211; the whole 9 yards<br />
They claim it&#8217;s about AIDS denialism &#8211; which anyone seeing the movie would realise it isnt. Or is it?<br />
Question is, are we going to be able to sell anymore tickets?<br />
A few still available, and the director has flown in from Canada.</p>
<p>Watch the film and see for yourself.</p>
<p>The power of cinema. Check it out: <a rel="nofollow" href="http://bit.ly/vTm98" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/vTm98</a></p>
<p>And let me know<br />
Elliot Grove Diretor 9and founder, goldarnit) of Raindance Film Festival</p></blockquote>
<p>It is clear from the statement and the communication that Mr Grove is ignorant of the consequences of AIDS denialism, wilfully ignores the problems with &#8216;House of Numbers&#8217; and is incapable of judging scientific evidence.  I also suspect that Mr Grove is enjoying the experience of being controversial, something his festival seems to deliberately set out to achieve &#8211; <a href="http://www.raindance.co.uk/site/raindance-brings-advertising-into-disrepute">they seem very proud of an advert that was banned because of its treatment of suicide</a>.  As the ruling on the advert shows film, as a medium, is capable of sending out very powerful emotional messages.  There is a danger, in particular with documentaries, that emotion can be used to gloss over or ignore awkward facts.  Emotion can also be used to incite anger and stir up settled and forgotten controversies.  This appears to be the case with &#8216;House of Numbers&#8217;, its supporters are extremely passionate and increasingly vocal and the film is sufficiently well made to<a href="http://blog.newhumanist.org.uk/2009/09/week-of-humble-pie.html"> fool otherwise sceptical thinkers</a>.  However, the <a href="http://aidstruth.org/features/2009/real-answers-fake-questions-%E2%80%9Chouse-numbers%E2%80%9D">questions raised by &#8216;House of Numbers&#8217; have already been answered by science</a>, the <a href="http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?tool=pmcentrez&amp;artid=1949841">tactics of denialists explored</a> and the <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18931626">deaths from AIDS denialism established</a>.  The only purposes the film serves is to suggest scientific controversy where there is none and to encourage support of discredited ideas, that is a poor contribution to public debate.</p>
<p>When contacted about this film a Terrence Higgins Trust spokesperson said:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Worldwide more than 33 million people are living with HIV, the virus that &#8211; untreated &#8211; leads to AIDS. 88,000 of them are in the UK and every year about 7,500 more people are newly diagnosed here. Each of them, over their lifetime, will cost around a quarter of a million pounds to treat. In other countries, without modern antiretroviral treatments, people are still dying in droves.</p>
<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s a huge waste of life. But although the methods we currently have won&#8217;t stop AIDS completely, we can reduce transmission by condom use and by other means. Our main focus now and for the years ahead needs to be preventing the spread of HIV and supporting people already living with the virus.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>The methods of achieving this are what the public debate needs to be on, not to become distracted by settled controversies.  It is unfortunate that both Raindance and Mr Grove seem uncaring or ignorant of this, they clearly believe &#8216;there is no such thing as bad publicity&#8217; when it comes to film promotion.</p>
<p>Incidentally, the full version of this paraphrased quote is &#8216;&#8221;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendan_Behan">There&#8217;s no bad publicity except an obituary.</a>&#8220;&#8216;.  <a href="http://aidstruth.org/denialism/dead_denialists">Here are the obituaries of some of those who have died through AIDS denialism</a>.</p>
<p>I hope there are no more.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Last month the editor of the New Humanist, Caspar Melville, magazine committed a sceptical faux pas and appeared to endorse some aspects of the documentary &#8216;House of Numbers&#8217;, a film whose purpose is to sow doubt where none exists on the theory that HIV causes AIDS.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>Last month the editor of the New Humanist, Caspar Melville, magazine committed a sceptical faux pas and appeared to endorse some aspects of the documentary &#8216;House of Numbers&#8217;, a film whose purpose is to sow doubt where none exists on the theory that HIV causes AIDS.</p>
<p>Lets be absolutely clear.  HIV causes AIDS &#8211; the science is certain, <a href="http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/medicine/laureates/2008/index.html">Nobel prizes, </a><a href="http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/medicine/laureates/2008/index.html">not baubles awarded when doubt remains,</a><a href="http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/medicine/laureates/2008/index.html"> have been won </a>.  &#8216;House of Numbers&#8217; is <a href="http://movies.nytimes.com/2009/09/04/movies/04house.html">supportive of AIDS denialist</a>s, <a href="http://www.badscience.net/2009/09/house-of-numbers/">distorted the opinions of many interviewees</a>, and presents <a href="http://denyingaids.blogspot.com/2009/10/moron-aids-denialist-film-house-of.html">utterly discredited researchers and journalists as holding valid opinions</a>.  &#8216;House of Numbers&#8217; is bunk, a denialist film, it has nothing constructive to say, and it deserves to be nothing more than a footnote in the annals of human stupidity.  Unfortunately it can seem convincing to an intelligent lay person.</p>
<p>Dr Melville is not an idiot, prone to taking irrational theories seriously or endorsing quackery yet he was fooled by a showing of &#8216;House of Numbers&#8217; at the Cambridge Film Festival.  With admirable candour, and some bravery in facing the blogosphere, Melville has explained in depth how and why he was fooled in two blog posts, <a href="http://blog.newhumanist.org.uk/2009/09/was-i-conned-by-aids-denialists.html">here </a>and <a href="http://blog.newhumanist.org.uk/2009/09/week-of-humble-pie.html">here</a>.  As his blog posts show he is more than capable of understanding evidence and changing his opinions to fit with observable facts yet, like most of us, he can be persuaded by a convincing lie in an area that lies outside his comfort zone of knowledge.</p>
<p>This common tendency to be fooled is a robust argument against the uncritical promotion of AIDS denalist films such as &#8216;House of Numbers&#8217;.  The consequences of being wrong about AIDS can be lethal.  In South Africa, as a result of the endorsement of the discredited theories of Peter Duesberg, a contributor to &#8216;House of Numbers&#8217;, by the government of Thabo Mbeki, it is estimated that more than <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18931626">300,000 people died unnecessarily</a>.</p>
<p>Unfortunately film festivals have not done been careful in their coverage of &#8216;House of Numbers&#8217;.  The Cambridge Film Festival made an attempt, as detailed in Melville&#8217;s blogs, to conduct a critical discussion afterwards but as Melville proves this was not enough to prevent false information from appearing convincing.  It is hard not to disagree with Ben Goldacre that this was &#8216;<a href="http://www.badscience.net/2009/09/house-of-numbers/">attention-seeking smugness&#8217;</a> on the part of Cambridge Film Festival <a href="http://www.badscience.net/2009/09/house-of-numbers/#comment-28052">despite the explanations of organisers</a>.</p>
<p>However, Raindance Film Festival have surpassed the smugness of Cambridge in <a href="http://www.raindance.co.uk/site/index.php?id=401,4439,0,0,1,0&amp;highlight=house%20numbers">their screening of &#8216;House of Numbers</a>&#8216;. Xavier Rashid, a programmer for Raindance is extremely proud of Raindance showing the film despite the protestations of scientists, lawyers, AIDS victims and others.  In fact he is so proud he has offered it his full endorsement and is plugging it on the film&#8217;s Youtube channel.</p>
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<p>Likewise <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elliot_Grove">Elliot Grove,</a> founder of Raindance.</p>
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<p>This goes far beyond the smug behaviour of Cambridge, at least they were willing to debate the film rather than endorse it.  The atrocious behaviour of Raindance has now been compounded after criticism was made of their showing the film.</p>
<p>Ben Goldacre, using his common subjective ontological classification of cock-end or not, <a href="http://twitter.com/bengoldacre/status/4557012753">tweeted the following on Friday 2nd October. </a></p>
<blockquote><p>Elliot Grove, founder of Raindance film festival, loves the Aids denialism: cock-end <a rel="nofollow" href="http://bit.ly/Btyd4" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/Btyd4</a></p></blockquote>
<p>I <a href="http://twitter.com/gimpyblog/status/4557777489">retweeted this minutes later </a>which was to be the start of a bizarre twitter exchange with <a href="http://twitter.com/raindance_fest">@Raindance_Fest</a>, the official twitter feed of the Raindance Film Festival, edited and presented at the foot of this page in reverse chronological order.</p>
<p>In this exchange, conducted with the usual decorum and subtlety of internet discourse and a 140 character limit, the lack of wisdom of Raindance was expressed as well as several links to sources of criticism of &#8216;House of Numbers&#8217; and the dangers of AIDS denialism.  Sadly @Raindance_Fest rather than engage in constructive debate opted for the tired old arguments of &#8216;if you haven&#8217;t seen it you can&#8217;t criticise it&#8217;, cited the blog of a disgraced ex-policeofficer who thinks the beating of Rodney King was justified before finishing it off with a potentially libellous allegation that <a href="http://richardwilsonauthor.wordpress.com/">sceptical author Richard Wilson</a> (twitter user <a href="http://twitter.com/dontgetfooled">@dontgetfooled</a>) was in the pay of &#8216;big US drug companies&#8217;.  The last tweet on the subject from @Raindance_Fest following this exchange <a href="http://twitter.com/Raindance_Fest/status/4600376807">was this</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>YouTube &#8211; House of Numbers reaction from Elliot Grove at Raindance <a rel="nofollow" href="http://bit.ly/2r1h4b" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2r1h4b</a></p></blockquote>
<p>I think it is fair to conclude from this and the videos above that the Raindance have come out in firm support of &#8216;House of Numbers&#8217;, endorse AIDS denialism, have fallen prey to the delusions of conspiracy theorists and have contempt for their critics.  This issue is more important though than merely being a matter of twitter commentary and idiotic artistic posturing.  When asked for comment Richard Wilson made the following points:</p>
<blockquote><p>Raindance are welcome to insinuate what they like about me on Twitter &#8211; what bothers me is the deadly damage which is done by perpetuating these tired old, long-debunked ideas about HIV and AIDS. We might have hoped that the media and artistic establishment would have learned their lesson by now &#8211; it does kind of feel like &#8220;Groundhog Day&#8221;. Back in the early 1990s Andrew Neil&#8217;s Sunday Times were being taken in by pretty much these same arguments [...] the damage caused by denial can&#8217;t always be undone. <a href="http://www.aidstruth.org/denialism/dead_denialists">AIDStruth&#8217;s list of HIV-positive AIDS denialists who have died from the disease </a>in the last few years makes for grim reading &#8211; my fear is that this list is only going to get longer until the media finally wises up to the real nature of AIDS denial.</p></blockquote>
<p>The organisers of Raindance need to understand that their childish attempts at being artistic provocateurs are not big, not clever and certainly not something to be proud of.  They are endorsing a theory that has killed hundreds of thousands and caused untold miseries to millions as described in &#8216;<a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Denying-AIDS-Conspiracy-Theories-Pseudoscience/dp/0387794751">Denying AIDS: Conspiracy Theories, Pseudoscience &amp; Human Tragedy&#8217;</a> by <a href="http://socialpsych.uconn.edu/sethckalichman.htm">Seth Kalichman</a>..  There is no scientific justification for &#8216;House of Numbers&#8217; and it is an act of careless immorality to endorse it.  I hope both Xavier Rashid, Elliot Grove and Raindance come to realise this.</p>
<h3>Update</h3>
<p>Raindance have linked to this blog post <a href="http://www.raindance.co.uk/site/independent-film-festival-2009">saying that</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Raindance founder Elliot Grove has been accused of being an <a href="../2009/10/04/film-festival-endorse-aids-denialism/">AIDS Denialist</a> (which he isn&#8217;t) because he dared to show <a href="http://www.raindance.co.uk/site/index.php?aid=4439">House of Numbers</a> despite over 100 thretening emails and legal letters.</p></blockquote>
<p>I have made no such accusation against Mr Gove.  My argument is that he, and Raindance, endorse AIDS denialism through their support for House of Numbers.</p>
<h2><span id="more-684"></span><strong>Twitter Exchange with @Raindance_Fest</strong></h2>
<li id="status_4583660554"> <a href="http://twitter.com/dontgetfooled" target="_blank"><img src="http://a1.twimg.com/profile_images/348182850/dgfa2_normal.jpg" alt="Dgfa2_normal" /></a> <a href="http://twitter.com/dontgetfooled" target="_blank">dontgetfooled</a> <span id="msgtxt4583660554">.<a href="http://twitter.com/Raindance_Fest" target="_blank"><strong>@Raindance_Fest</strong></a> &#8230;but if you want sordid big pill-pusher AID$ escapades, try this for size: <a rel="nofollow" href="http://tr.im/AyAY" target="_blank">http://tr.im/AyAY</a> <a href="http://twitter.com/gimpyblog" target="_blank">@gimpyblog</a> <a href="http://twitter.com/dnotice" target="_blank">@dnotice</a></span> <a href="http://twitter.com/dontgetfooled/statuses/4583660554"> about 19 hours ago </a>from <a href="http://twitter.com/">web</a></li>
<li id="status_4583606698"> <a href="http://twitter.com/dontgetfooled" target="_blank"><img src="http://a1.twimg.com/profile_images/348182850/dgfa2_normal.jpg" alt="Dgfa2_normal" /></a> <a href="http://twitter.com/dontgetfooled" target="_blank">dontgetfooled</a> <span id="msgtxt4583606698"><a href="http://twitter.com/Raindance_Fest" target="_blank"><strong>@Raindance_Fest</strong></a> Damnit Damnit, how did you guess? &#8230;It&#8217;s a fair cop &#8211; me and <a href="http://twitter.com/gimpyblog" target="_blank">@gimpyblog</a> are all part of the conspiracy</span> <a href="http://twitter.com/dontgetfooled/statuses/4583606698"> about 19 hours ago </a>from <a href="http://twitter.com/">web</a></li>
<li id="status_4580810057"> <a href="http://twitter.com/jdc325" target="_blank"><img src="http://a3.twimg.com/profile_images/331912739/chimpbaby_normal.jpg" alt="Chimpbaby_normal" /></a> <a href="http://twitter.com/jdc325" target="_blank">jdc325</a> <span id="msgtxt4580810057">Fluffy Mike&#8217;s comment: <a rel="nofollow" href="http://bit.ly/3Lm34q" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/3Lm34q</a> on <a href="http://twitter.com/Raindance_Fest" target="_blank"><strong>@Raindance_Fest</strong></a> &amp; House of Numbers</span> <a href="http://twitter.com/jdc325/statuses/4580810057"> about 22 hours ago </a>from <a href="http://twitter.com/">web</a></li>
<li id="status_4580655033"> <a href="http://twitter.com/gimpyblog" target="_blank"><img src="http://a3.twimg.com/profile_images/370396197/twitterProfilePhoto_normal.jpg" alt="Twitterprofilephoto_normal" /></a> <a href="http://twitter.com/gimpyblog" target="_blank">gimpyblog</a> <span id="msgtxt4580655033">Onto big pharma conspiracy theories now.  you really are clueless. RT <a href="http://twitter.com/Raindance_Fest" target="_blank"><strong>@Raindance_Fest</strong></a>: <a href="http://twitter.com/dontgetfooled" target="_blank">@dontgetfooled</a> &#8211; the big US Drug companies love U!</span> <a href="http://twitter.com/gimpyblog/statuses/4580655033"> about 22 hours ago </a>from <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.tweetdeck.com/">TweetDeck</a></li>
<li id="status_4580564312"> <a href="http://twitter.com/Raindance_Fest" target="_blank"><img src="http://a3.twimg.com/profile_images/108490563/RaindanceLogo_normal.jpg" alt="Raindancelogo_normal" width="47" height="42" /></a> <a href="http://twitter.com/Raindance_Fest" target="_blank">Raindance_Fest</a> <span id="msgtxt4580564312"><a href="http://twitter.com/dontgetfooled" target="_blank">@dontgetfooled</a> dontgetfooled .<a href="http://twitter.com/raindance_fest" target="_blank"><strong>@raindance_fest</strong></a> Harvard says AIDS denial caused 300,000 deaths in S Africa &#8211; the big US Drug companies love U!</span> <a href="http://twitter.com/Raindance_Fest/statuses/4580564312"> about 22 hours ago </a>from <a href="http://twitter.com/">web</a></li>
<li id="status_4577160776"> <a href="http://twitter.com/gimpyblog" target="_blank"><img src="http://a3.twimg.com/profile_images/370396197/twitterProfilePhoto_normal.jpg" alt="Twitterprofilephoto_normal" /></a> <a href="http://twitter.com/gimpyblog" target="_blank">gimpyblog</a> <span id="msgtxt4577160776"><a href="http://twitter.com/Raindance_Fest" target="_blank"><strong>@Raindance_Fest</strong></a> for goodness sake, you could learn from Caspar Melville of <a href="http://twitter.com/NewHumanist" target="_blank">@NewHumanist</a> on when to stop digging holes <a rel="nofollow" href="http://bit.ly/Rti0r" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/Rti0r</a> </span> <a href="http://twitter.com/gimpyblog/statuses/4577160776"> 1 day ago </a>from <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.tweetdeck.com/">TweetDeck</a></li>
<li id="status_4576961733"> <a href="http://twitter.com/dontgetfooled" target="_blank"><img src="http://a1.twimg.com/profile_images/348182850/dgfa2_normal.jpg" alt="Dgfa2_normal" /></a> <a href="http://twitter.com/dontgetfooled" target="_blank">dontgetfooled</a> <span id="msgtxt4576961733">.<a href="http://twitter.com/raindance_fest" target="_blank"><strong>@raindance_fest</strong></a> Harvard says AIDS denial caused 300,000 deaths in S Africa &#8211; or did that holocaust not happen either? <a rel="nofollow" href="http://tr.im/AwWg" target="_blank">http://tr.im/AwWg</a></span> <a href="http://twitter.com/dontgetfooled/statuses/4576961733"> 1 day ago </a>from <a href="http://twitter.com/">web</a></li>
<li id="status_4576919337"> <a href="http://twitter.com/dontgetfooled" target="_blank"><img src="http://a1.twimg.com/profile_images/348182850/dgfa2_normal.jpg" alt="Dgfa2_normal" /></a> <a href="http://twitter.com/dontgetfooled" target="_blank">dontgetfooled</a> <span id="msgtxt4576919337"><a href="http://twitter.com/raindance_fest" target="_blank"><strong>@raindance_fest</strong></a> Charmed&#8230; Did you look that up or do you have some kind of DIY &#8216;holistic wisdom&#8217; generator as your screensaver? <a href="http://twitter.com/gimpyblog" target="_blank">@gimpyblog</a></span> <a href="http://twitter.com/dontgetfooled/statuses/4576919337"> 1 day ago </a>from <a href="http://twitter.com/">web</a></li>
<li id="status_4576856239"> <a href="http://twitter.com/dontgetfooled" target="_blank"><img src="http://a1.twimg.com/profile_images/348182850/dgfa2_normal.jpg" alt="Dgfa2_normal" /></a> <a href="http://twitter.com/dontgetfooled" target="_blank">dontgetfooled</a> <span id="msgtxt4576856239"><a href="http://twitter.com/gimpyblog" target="_blank">@gimpyblog</a> Clark Baker &#8211; great source; next they&#8217;ll be giving us Rwandan genocide/AIDS denier Chris Black: <a rel="nofollow" href="http://tr.im/AwUn" target="_blank">http://tr.im/AwUn</a> <a href="http://twitter.com/raindance_fest" target="_blank"><strong>@raindance_fest</strong></a></span> <a href="http://twitter.com/dontgetfooled/statuses/4576856239"> 1 day ago </a>from <a href="http://twitter.com/">web</a></li>
<li id="status_4576710499"> <a href="http://twitter.com/si_streetworks" target="_blank"><img src="http://a1.twimg.com/profile_images/147940428/sm_2__normal.jpg" alt="Sm_2__normal" /></a> <a href="http://twitter.com/si_streetworks" target="_blank">si_streetworks</a> <span id="msgtxt4576710499"><a href="http://twitter.com/Raindance_Fest" target="_blank"><strong>@Raindance_Fest</strong></a> HIV AIDS denialist campaigns have contributed to well over 300,000 deaths in SA, the documentary is propoganda not science.</span> <a href="http://twitter.com/si_streetworks/statuses/4576710499"> 1 day ago </a>from <a href="http://twitter.com/">web</a></li>
<li id="status_4576626313"> <a href="http://twitter.com/si_streetworks" target="_blank"><img src="http://a1.twimg.com/profile_images/147940428/sm_2__normal.jpg" alt="Sm_2__normal" /></a> <a href="http://twitter.com/si_streetworks" target="_blank">si_streetworks</a> <span id="msgtxt4576626313"><a href="http://twitter.com/Raindance_Fest" target="_blank"><strong>@Raindance_Fest</strong></a> That&#8217;s not how science progresses. If there&#8217;s evidence that contradicts the HIV AIDS theory you publish not do documentaries</span> <a href="http://twitter.com/si_streetworks/statuses/4576626313"> 1 day ago </a>from <a href="http://twitter.com/">web</a></li>
<li id="status_4576555800"> <a href="http://twitter.com/Raindance_Fest" target="_blank"><img src="http://a3.twimg.com/profile_images/108490563/RaindanceLogo_normal.jpg" alt="Raindancelogo_normal" width="49" height="45" /></a> <a href="http://twitter.com/Raindance_Fest" target="_blank">Raindance_Fest</a> <span id="msgtxt4576555800">RT <a href="http://twitter.com/Raindance_Fest" target="_blank"><strong>@Raindance_Fest</strong></a> Ok this is getting silly. Can you point to the scientific evidence backing up the claims in House of Numbers &#8211; SEE IT</span> <a href="http://twitter.com/Raindance_Fest/statuses/4576555800"> 1 day ago </a>from <a href="http://twitter.com/">web</a></li>
<li id="status_4576233056"> <a href="http://twitter.com/gimpyblog" target="_blank"><img src="http://a3.twimg.com/profile_images/370396197/twitterProfilePhoto_normal.jpg" alt="Twitterprofilephoto_normal" /></a> <a href="http://twitter.com/gimpyblog" target="_blank">gimpyblog</a> <span id="msgtxt4576233056">Review by a racist, violent conspiracy loon, nice bedfellow RT <a href="http://twitter.com/Raindance_Fest" target="_blank"><strong>@Raindance_Fest</strong></a>: Stunning review: Hollywood Gumshoe:  <a rel="nofollow" href="http://bit.ly/1XpAX0" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/1XpAX0</a> </span> <a href="http://twitter.com/gimpyblog/statuses/4576233056"> 1 day ago </a>from <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.tweetdeck.com/">TweetDeck</a></li>
<li id="status_4576210778"> <a href="http://twitter.com/gimpyblog" target="_blank"><img src="http://a3.twimg.com/profile_images/370396197/twitterProfilePhoto_normal.jpg" alt="Twitterprofilephoto_normal" /></a> <a href="http://twitter.com/gimpyblog" target="_blank">gimpyblog</a> <span id="msgtxt4576210778">source <a href="http://twitter.com/Raindance_Fest" target="_blank"><strong>@Raindance_Fest</strong></a> linked to support screening of house of numbers endorses beating of rodney king.  <a rel="nofollow" href="http://bit.ly/4hHSQ" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/4hHSQ</a> </span> <a href="http://twitter.com/gimpyblog/statuses/4576210778"> 1 day ago </a>from <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.tweetdeck.com/">TweetDeck</a></li>
<li id="status_4576171041"> <a href="http://twitter.com/gimpyblog" target="_blank"><img src="http://a3.twimg.com/profile_images/370396197/twitterProfilePhoto_normal.jpg" alt="Twitterprofilephoto_normal" /></a> <a href="http://twitter.com/gimpyblog" target="_blank">gimpyblog</a> <span id="msgtxt4576171041"><a href="http://twitter.com/dontgetfooled" target="_blank">@dontgetfooled</a> did you see <a href="http://twitter.com/Raindance_Fest" target="_blank"><strong>@Raindance_Fest</strong></a> just linked to this to support their argument?  <a rel="nofollow" href="http://bit.ly/PpRMB" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/PpRMB</a> the barrel has been scraped</span> <a href="http://twitter.com/gimpyblog/statuses/4576171041"> 1 day ago </a>from <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.tweetdeck.com/">TweetDeck</a></li>
<li id="status_4576151106"> <a href="http://twitter.com/gimpyblog" target="_blank"><img src="http://a3.twimg.com/profile_images/370396197/twitterProfilePhoto_normal.jpg" alt="Twitterprofilephoto_normal" /></a> <a href="http://twitter.com/gimpyblog" target="_blank">gimpyblog</a> <span id="msgtxt4576151106"><a title="#fail" href="http://twitter.com/search?q=%23fail">#fail</a> you just linked to a crazy right wing birther conspiracy monger e.g. <a rel="nofollow" href="http://bit.ly/hrBKJRT" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/hrBKJRT</a> <a href="http://twitter.com/Raindance_Fest" target="_blank"><strong>@Raindance_Fest</strong></a>:  <a rel="nofollow" href="http://bit.ly/1XpAX0" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/1XpAX0</a> </span> <a href="http://twitter.com/gimpyblog/statuses/4576151106"> 1 day ago </a>from <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.tweetdeck.com/">TweetDeck</a></li>
<li id="status_4576133123"> <a href="http://twitter.com/dnotice" target="_blank"><img src="http://a1.twimg.com/profile_images/365099320/d-notice_normal.gif" alt="D-notice_normal" /></a> <a href="http://twitter.com/dnotice" target="_blank">dnotice</a> <span id="msgtxt4576133123">.<a href="http://twitter.com/Raindance_Fest" target="_blank"><strong>@Raindance_Fest</strong></a> As someone said &#8220;Truth&#8217;s 3 Stages Denial|Opposition|Acceptance&#8221;. You deny us &amp; oppose us, so now u just need to accept&#8230;</span> <a href="http://twitter.com/dnotice/statuses/4576133123"> 1 day ago </a>from <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.tweetdeck.com/">TweetDeck</a></li>
<li id="status_4576121299"> <a href="http://twitter.com/dnotice" target="_blank"><img src="http://a1.twimg.com/profile_images/365099320/d-notice_normal.gif" alt="D-notice_normal" /></a> <a href="http://twitter.com/dnotice" target="_blank">dnotice</a> <span id="msgtxt4576121299">I, <a href="http://twitter.com/gimpyblog" target="_blank">@gimpyblog</a> &amp; <a href="http://twitter.com/dontgetfooled" target="_blank">@dontgetfooled</a> just got insulted by Raindance Fest (<a href="http://twitter.com/raindance_fest" target="_blank"><strong>@raindance_fest</strong></a>) for criticising them showing an AIDS denialism film <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </span> <a href="http://twitter.com/dnotice/statuses/4576121299"> 1 day ago </a>from <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.tweetdeck.com/">TweetDeck</a></li>
<li id="status_4576053165"> <a href="http://twitter.com/gimpyblog" target="_blank"><img src="http://a3.twimg.com/profile_images/370396197/twitterProfilePhoto_normal.jpg" alt="Twitterprofilephoto_normal" /></a> <a href="http://twitter.com/gimpyblog" target="_blank">gimpyblog</a> <span id="msgtxt4576053165"><a href="http://twitter.com/Raindance_Fest" target="_blank"><strong>@Raindance_Fest</strong></a> Ok this is getting silly.  Can you point to the scientific evidence backing up the claims in House of Numbers?</span> <a href="http://twitter.com/gimpyblog/statuses/4576053165"> 1 day ago </a>from <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.tweetdeck.com/">TweetDeck</a></li>
<li id="status_4576031176"> <a href="http://twitter.com/gimpyblog" target="_blank"><img src="http://a3.twimg.com/profile_images/370396197/twitterProfilePhoto_normal.jpg" alt="Twitterprofilephoto_normal" /></a> <a href="http://twitter.com/gimpyblog" target="_blank">gimpyblog</a> <span id="msgtxt4576031176">RT <a href="http://twitter.com/dontgetfooled" target="_blank">@dontgetfooled</a>: Is Elliot Grove the new Andrew Neil? <a rel="nofollow" href="http://tr.im/Awyz" target="_blank">http://tr.im/Awyz</a> <a href="http://twitter.com/raindance_fest" target="_blank"><strong>@raindance_fest</strong></a> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://bit.ly/Btyd4" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/Btyd4</a> </span> <a href="http://twitter.com/gimpyblog/statuses/4576031176"> 1 day ago </a>from <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.tweetdeck.com/">TweetDeck</a></li>
<li id="status_4575904306"> <a href="http://twitter.com/dontgetfooled" target="_blank"><img src="http://a1.twimg.com/profile_images/348182850/dgfa2_normal.jpg" alt="Dgfa2_normal" /></a> <a href="http://twitter.com/dontgetfooled" target="_blank">dontgetfooled</a> <span id="msgtxt4575904306">Is Elliot Grove the new Andrew Neil? <a rel="nofollow" href="http://tr.im/Awyz" target="_blank">http://tr.im/Awyz</a> <a href="http://twitter.com/raindance_fest" target="_blank"><strong>@raindance_fest</strong></a> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://bit.ly/Btyd4" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/Btyd4</a> </span> <a href="http://twitter.com/dontgetfooled/statuses/4575904306"> 1 day ago </a>from <a href="http://twitter.com/">web</a></li>
<li id="status_4575892275"> <a href="http://twitter.com/dontgetfooled" target="_blank"><img src="http://a1.twimg.com/profile_images/348182850/dgfa2_normal.jpg" alt="Dgfa2_normal" /></a> <a href="http://twitter.com/dontgetfooled" target="_blank">dontgetfooled</a> <span id="msgtxt4575892275">dontgetfooled Is Elliot Grove the new Andrew Neil? <a rel="nofollow" href="http://tr.im/Awyz" target="_blank">http://tr.im/Awyz</a> <a href="http://twitter.com/raindance_fest" target="_blank"><strong>@raindance_fest</strong></a></span> <a href="http://twitter.com/dontgetfooled/statuses/4575892275"> 1 day ago </a>from <a href="http://twitter.com/">web</a></li>
<li id="status_4575876724"> <a href="http://twitter.com/dnotice" target="_blank"><img src="http://a1.twimg.com/profile_images/365099320/d-notice_normal.gif" alt="D-notice_normal" /></a> <a href="http://twitter.com/dnotice" target="_blank">dnotice</a> <span id="msgtxt4575876724">.<a href="http://twitter.com/Raindance_Fest" target="_blank"><strong>@Raindance_Fest</strong></a> &#8230; so if I say something about you, which you deny, it *must* be true, even if there&#8217;s little if any supporting evidence?</span> <a href="http://twitter.com/dnotice/statuses/4575876724"> 1 day ago </a>from <a rel="nofollow" href="http://83degrees.com/to/powertwitter">Power Twitter</a></li>
<li id="status_4575799878"> <a href="http://twitter.com/dontgetfooled" target="_blank"><img src="http://a1.twimg.com/profile_images/348182850/dgfa2_normal.jpg" alt="Dgfa2_normal" /></a> <a href="http://twitter.com/dontgetfooled" target="_blank">dontgetfooled</a> <span id="msgtxt4575799878">RT <a href="http://twitter.com/Raindance_Fest" target="_blank"><strong>@Raindance_Fest</strong></a> Truths 3 Stages Denial|Opposition|Acceptance &lt;== are these guys for real?! This is beyond parody&#8230;</span> <a href="http://twitter.com/dontgetfooled/statuses/4575799878"> 1 day ago </a>from <a href="http://twitter.com/">web</a></li>
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<li id="status_4575665421"> <a href="http://twitter.com/dontgetfooled" target="_blank"><img src="http://a1.twimg.com/profile_images/348182850/dgfa2_normal.jpg" alt="Dgfa2_normal" /></a> <a href="http://twitter.com/dontgetfooled" target="_blank">dontgetfooled</a> <span id="msgtxt4575665421">If David Irving starred in a nicely-edited, beautifully-shot film about the holocaust, would <a href="http://twitter.com/raindance_fest" target="_blank"><strong>@raindance_fest</strong></a> show that too?</span> <a href="http://twitter.com/dontgetfooled/statuses/4575665421"> 1 day ago </a>from <a href="http://twitter.com/">web</a></li>
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		<title>Society of Homeopaths exploit death of child for their own gain</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[The tragic and preventable death of baby Gloria in Australia due to neglect by her homeopath parents has been reported in the news this week and has led to some debate on curbing the excesses of homeopaths.  The Quackometer has argued that it is the nature of homeopathy that allows cases such as this to [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=gimpyblog.wordpress.com&blog=1769773&post=682&subd=gimpyblog&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>The <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/09/28/2698762.htm">tragic and preventable death of baby Gloria in Australia due to neglect by her homeopath parents</a> has been reported in the news this week and has led to some debate on curbing the excesses of homeopaths.  The <a href="http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2009/09/protecting-future-baby-glorias-from.html">Quackometer has argued that it is the nature of homeopathy that allows cases such as this to develop</a>, a rejection of modern medicine is inherent in the teachings of homeopaths and no amount of regulation will change this, and what we need is not regulation but criminal prosecution.  The Society of Homeopaths disagree and <a href="http://www.homeopathy-soh.org/whats-new/past-press-releases/documents/babydeathstatemOct09.doc">have issued the following press release</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>The Society of Homeopaths is calling on MPs to support its application for the statutory regulation of homeopaths following the high profile case of a baby who died in Australia after her parents refused conventional medical help.<br />
The move would offer better protection for the public in the UK as under current law, anyone without training can set up and practise as a homeopath.<br />
The Society, the UK’s largest organisation representing professional homeopaths, is in the process of applying to the Health Professions Council (HPC) for statutory regulation.<br />
Currently, 65 per cent of all registered homeopaths are members of the Society, which has long been committed to the highest standards for homeopathy, having run a voluntary regulatory system for the last 30 years and a course recognition process for the last 15 years. Further, it was the first homeopathy organisation to institute a Code of Ethics &amp; Practice.<br />
Ten years ago, the House of Lords’ Select Committee on Science &amp; Technology published a report into Complementary &amp; Alternative Medicine (session 1999-2000), which categorised homeopathy as a ‘Group One’ therapy along with acupuncture, chiropractic, herbal medicine and osteopathy.<br />
Of the five, homeopathy is the only profession not yet in the statutory regulation process although the report acknowledged that “under The Society of Homeopaths, the non-medical homeopaths have organised themselves well and their professional organisation should mean the transition to statutory regulation does not present too great an upheaval(1)”<br />
The House of Lords’ report also called for more research. By the end of 2007, 134 randomised controlled trials of homeopathy had been published in peer-reviewed journals. Of these trials, 59 were positive i.e. demonstrating that homeopathy has an effect beyond placebo; eight were negative and the remaining 67 were inconclusive.<br />
On Monday September 28th, Sydney couple Thomas Sam, 42, a lecturer in homeopathy, and his wife Manju, 37, were jailed for the manslaughter of their nine-month-old daughter Gloria, who died of malnutrition and septicaemia in May 2002.<br />
Chair of the board of directors, Jayne Thomas, said: “This was a tragic case where the parents concerned refused conventional medicine even though their daughter was seriously ill. Here in the UK, The Society’s Code of Ethics &amp; Practice (sections 22 &amp; 27) states that cases of a serious nature should be advised to stay in contact with their GP, that patients should be advised where another form of treatment may be more immediate and effective and that any symptoms suggesting an underlying condition should be referred for medical investigation and diagnosis.<br />
“Statutory regulation is a natural step forward for homeopathy and builds on the work of the profession over the last ten years to independent regulation. The Society’s registered members have met our academic requirements, completed a registration process, hold comprehensive insurance and agreed to abide by a Code of Ethics &amp; Practice. Statutory regulation will independently formalise this process and most importantly, offer greater protection for the public.”<br />
For more information, or to set up an interview with Jayne Thomas, please contact Pamela Stevens at The Society of Homeopaths on 0845 450 6611 or pamela_stevens@homeopathy-soh.org<br />
(1) House of Lords Select Committee on Science &amp; Technology, Session 1999-2000, p52</p></blockquote>
<p>The argument put forward by the SoH that regulation, specifically their Code of Ethics &amp; Practice, would have prevented this case is thoroughly specious.  The sections cited by the SoH, 22 &amp;27, state:</p>
<blockquote><p>22 When dealing with cases of a serious and possibly terminal nature, ensure that the patient is fully aware of the advisability of keeping their GP informed of their condition.  Where possible and appropriate, ask for the patient’s permission to write to their GP concerning their progress.<br />
27 A competent homeopath identifies those occasions when a patient’s condition is:<br />
• beyond the present limits of their clinical competence and expertise.<br />
• likely to receive more immediate, effective benefit from another form of treatment.<br />
• showing signs and symptoms suggestive of an underlying condition which requires referral for investigation and other medical diagnosis.</p></blockquote>
<p>22 does not place an obligation on the homeopath to inform the GP, only the patient.  Under this section the homeopath washes their hands of any responsibility for the patient informing their GP.  This is quite understandable, the homeopath is entering into a professional relationship with the patient, whatever you may think of the level of professionalism, action cannot be taken against the patients wishes.  This section would not have prevented the death of baby Gloria as the parents did not wish to see a GP.</p>
<p>27 is clearly ridiculous on the grounds that homeopaths are not medically trained so have no clinical competence or expertise and that because it doesn&#8217;t work anyway other treatments should automatically be preferred.  However, for the sake of argument, if we assume that homeopathy works, as homeopaths believe it does, then it still would not have prevented the death of baby Gloria.  This section only defines competence, it does not prevent incompetent homeopaths and thus would not stop an incompetent homeopath from causing harm. It would allow the SoH to label them as incompetent though, should that not be obvious.</p>
<p>It is clear that neither of these sections would have prevented the death of baby Gloria.  It is hard not to see this as an attempt by the SoH to exploit a tragedy to further their political aims of regulation, <a href="http://gimpyblog.wordpress.com/2009/09/10/639/">which are opposed by other professional societies</a>.  This viewpoint is supported by the many examples of the SoH supporting similarly reckless behaviours in their own supporters, such as the <a href="http://gimpyblog.wordpress.com/2009/04/09/the-homeopathic-action-trust-is-controlled-by-the-society-of-homeopaths/">SoH funded AIDS and malaria trials in Africa</a>, the <a href="http://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=20&amp;storycode=4123492&amp;c=1">refusal to condemn homeopathic vaccines used at the expense of proper ones</a>, <a href="http://gimpyblog.wordpress.com/2009/09/16/west-london-homeopaths-organise-talk-by-aids-denialist-janine-roberts/">and seminars by AIDS denialists</a> to give just three examples.</p>
<p>In addition to this, as part of the professional development of homeopaths, t<a href="http://www.homeopathy-soh.org/for-homeopaths/cpdev.aspx">he SoH have organised the following event</a>.</p>
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<td width="347"><strong>Peter Smith – Investigative homeopathy and difficult cases<br />
</strong>This day is designed to introduce some different approaches into your practice when you are faced with puzzling cases. These days the world is a lot more complicated than in the days of Hahnemann, especially when we consider pollution and the environmental toxins that we all face. Peter will share some of the therapeutic tools that he has used during over 25 years in practice, including dealing with panic attacks, sorting out hiatus hernias, pregnancy and childbirth issues, treating the elderly in nursing homes and the importance of a home visit if you just can&#8217;t seem to make progress with a client. Participants are invited to bring along &#8216;tough cases&#8217; for the group to discuss, with a view to finding different and more productive lines of investigation.</td>
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<p>This clearly shows that the concept of keeping &#8216;tough cases&#8217; within the homeopathic family is part of their training, they are encouraged to share their stories of clients who cannot progress and seek advice from the homeopath peers on new treatments to try.  After they have done all this and their patients still aren&#8217;t getting better then they may consider going to a doctor.  It is this behaviour that killed baby Gloria, not the lack of regulation.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2009/09/protecting-future-baby-glorias-from.html">The Quackometer article on baby Gloria concluded</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>protecting future children like baby Gloria will require authorities to abandon the belief that they need to regulate homeopaths like medical practitioners and instead treat them according to the more accurate picture of them being a pseudo-medical and mystical cult with dangerous and irrational beliefs</p></blockquote>
<p>I agree.</p>
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		<title>Gordon Brown makes unhelpful comment on cancer</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[All the political blogs are busy interpreting the nuance and debating the policy implications of Gordon Brown&#8217;s speech to the Labour conference.  I&#8217;ll leave them to do that.  I have a major issue with this particular part of his speech though:
And because we know that our investment in breast cancer screening works and early intervention [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=gimpyblog.wordpress.com&blog=1769773&post=678&subd=gimpyblog&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>All the political blogs are busy interpreting the nuance and debating the policy implications of <a href="http://www.labour.org.uk/gordon-brown-speech-conference">Gordon Brown&#8217;s speech to the Labour conference</a>.  I&#8217;ll leave them to do that.  I have a major issue with this particular part of his speech though:</p>
<blockquote><p>And because we know that our investment in breast cancer screening works and early intervention saves lives, I am proud to announce that we will go much further.</p>
<p>We will finance a new right for cancer patients to have diagnostic tests carried out, completed and with results – often same day results &#8211; within one week of seeing your GP. That is our early diagnosis guarantee, building on our current guarantee of only two weeks wait to see a specialist.<br />
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And so with three major steps forward – early diagnosis, early treatment and our historic investment in research for cancer cures, we in Britain can transform cancer care; and our ambition is no less than to beat cancer in this generation</strong></p></blockquote>
<p>My bold.</p>
<p>Sadly it is a myth that there is a cure for cancer and that cancer can be beaten in a generation.  The best succinct explanation I have seen of this is from PHD comics (below).  I&#8217;m all for politicians making arguments for more research and healthcare, I&#8217;m less keen on them distorting public perception of the results of that research and healthcare.  It bothers me somewhat that this speech without doubt underwent a substantial number of revisions and likely had contributions from many individuals and not a single one of them noticed that this claim about cancer was remarkable.</p>
<p><img class="alignnone" title="cure for cancer" src="http://www.phdcomics.com/comics/archive/phd042009s.gif" alt="" width="600" height="1431" /></p>
<p>http://www.phdcomics.com/comics.php?f=1162 (copyright Jorge Cham)</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[apgaylard has published Part III of his wonderful dissection of Lionel Milgrom&#8217;s article in Forsch Komplementmed, available here, analysing criticism of homeopathy.  All three parts are below:
http://apgaylard.wordpress.com/2009/09/06/a-homeopathic-refutation-part-one
http://apgaylard.wordpress.com/2009/09/13/a-homeopathic-refutation-%E2%80%93-part-two/
http://apgaylard.wordpress.com/2009/09/25/a-homeopathic-refutation-part-three/
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>apgaylard has published Part III of his wonderful dissection of Lionel Milgrom&#8217;s article in<span style="font-size:x-small;"><em> Forsch Komplementmed</em></span>, <a href="http://homeopathyworldcommunity.com/forum/topics/under-pressure-homeopathy-uk">available here</a>, analysing criticism of homeopathy.  All three parts are below:</p>
<p><a href="http://apgaylard.wordpress.com/2009/09/06/a-homeopathic-refutation-part-one">http://apgaylard.wordpress.com/2009/09/06/a-homeopathic-refutation-part-one</a></p>
<p><a href="http://apgaylard.wordpress.com/2009/09/13/a-homeopathic-refutation-%E2%80%93-part-two/">http://apgaylard.wordpress.com/2009/09/13/a-homeopathic-refutation-%E2%80%93-part-two/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://apgaylard.wordpress.com/2009/09/25/a-homeopathic-refutation-part-three/">http://apgaylard.wordpress.com/2009/09/25/a-homeopathic-refutation-part-three/</a></p>
<p>apgaylard exposes numerous instances of poor scholarship in Milgrom&#8217;s analysis which thus far have gone unanswered by Milgrom, even though Milgrom is keen to highlight, <a href="http://www.dcscience.net/?p=2222">mistakenly, flaws in other people&#8217;s scholarship</a>.  Milgrom must be aware of apgaylard&#8217;s arguments as I have taken the liberty of emailing them to him, as I will do with this one.  That he has not responded suggests a disappointing unwillingness to engage and a fear of answering critics.  Sadly this attitude is all too typical of homeopaths.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[There has been an exciting development in the world of herbalism.  A split.  A shattering of a previously indivisible atom of stupid and the release of a wave of witlessness, sweeping across the quackosphere, and leaving idiocy  in its wake.  Save our Herbs is its manifestation, and the reason they give for their existence is [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=gimpyblog.wordpress.com&blog=1769773&post=668&subd=gimpyblog&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>There has been an exciting development in the world of herbalism.  A split.  A shattering of a previously indivisible atom of stupid and the release of a wave of witlessness, sweeping across the quackosphere, and leaving idiocy  in its wake.  <a href="http://www.saveourherbs.org.uk">Save our Herbs</a> is its manifestation, and the <a href="http://www.saveourherbs.org.uk/Petition.html">reason they give for their existence</a> is this:</p>
<blockquote><p>The call for Statutory Regulation (SR) was started by a small group of herbalists, who have professed that Herbal Medicines are dangerous and the public need protection through statutory regulation, that such proposals would assure public safety.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>The powers-that-be have no right to restrict the entitlement of the people of the UK to continue to use herbal medicines in the way that they currently do.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, this is a group of herbalists who reject the suggestion that herbs can be dangerous and those who prescribe them need regulating. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paracelsus#Contributions_to_toxicology">Paracelsus would disagree</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;All things are poison and nothing is without poison, only the dose permits something not to be poisonous.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://whatstheharm.net/herbalremedies.html">As would Whatstheharm.net </a> and the <a href="http://www.nimh.org.uk/about-the-nimh/regulation/where-we-are-in-the-regulatory-process">National Insitute of Medical Herbalists (NIMH).</a> And, as David Colquhoun points out, herbalist degrees show an <a href="http://www.dcscience.net/?p=2043">imaginative approach to facts and evidence</a> that creates a danger to the public.</p>
<p>Joining the herbalists are everybody&#8217;s favourite homeopath splitters, the Alliance of Registered Homeopaths (ARH), who too have rejected <a href="http://gimpyblog.wordpress.com/2009/09/10/639/">accusations of harm and the thought of statutory regulation</a>.  Also involved are the <a href="http://www.thenhf.com/">National Health Foundation (NHF)</a>, a mainly American lobby group, the obscure <a href="http://www.irch.org/about.htm">International Register of Consultant Herbalists and Homoeopaths</a> (IRCHH), the unknown <a href="http://www.mohsinhealthgroup.co.uk/clinic/index.htm">Mohsin Institute</a> and the invisible <a href="http://www.cropwatch.org/">Cropwatch</a>.</p>
<p>This coalition of uncertain competenecy are pushing anti-EU arguments, of the conspiratorial sort, as part of their campaign and this has led them to the parlous abandonment of mainstream Euroscepticism and a rush into the arms of arch AIDS denialist and conspiracy theorist Matthias Rath.  <a href="http://www.badscience.net/2009/04/matthias-rath-steal-this-chapter/">A fair assessment of Rath&#8217;s character as a charlatan and bully who bears some responsibility for the deaths of thousands can be drawn from this book chapter by Ben Goldacre</a>.  Rath&#8217;s EU-referendum.org, <a href="http://gimpyblog.wordpress.com/category/matthias-rath/">who have come under some criticism before on this blog</a>, are now citing <a href="http://www.eu-referendum.org/english/about_us/index.html">SaveOurHerbs as official supporters</a>.  Rath, in his <a href="http://www.eu-facts.org/en/index.html">EU-facts.org</a> site, argues that the pharmaceutical and oil industries are using the Lisbon Treaty to create a European dictatorship.  I suspect this belief may have drawn the herbalists and homeopaths to his side.</p>
<p>Alternative heath practitioners and their supporters often believe that the reason why their therapies are often rejected has little to do with their inherent implausibility, the weight of convincing evidence against them, and the allegations of harm but is due to a grand conspiracy of politicans, journalists and bloggers funded by the pharmaceutical industry.  It is hardly surprising that many of them have a sufficiently strong belief in this to turn, without question, to the likes of Rath.  I do not know how representative of herbalists Save our Herbs is, but the ARH represent about a third of UK homeopaths and have a sufficiently strong voice to make the <a href="http://gimpyblog.wordpress.com/2009/07/25/society-of-homeopaths-apply-to-join-health-professions-council/">Society of Homeopath&#8217;s (SoH) desired pathway to statutory regulation </a>a rocky road indeed.  I also suspect many SoH members may fall prey to the conspiracy adorned blandishments of Rath, <a href="http://www.quackometer.net/blog/labels/SoH.html">the SoH after all are more than willing to endorse dangerous Rath-like AIDS nonsense</a> even going as far to<a href="http://gimpyblog.wordpress.com/2009/04/09/the-homeopathic-action-trust-is-controlled-by-the-society-of-homeopaths/"> fund homeopathic trials in Africa</a>.  It would be foolish to assume that the ARH&#8217;s embrace of Rath strengthens the case for regulation, it just draws further attention to the idiocies of all homeopaths.  I suspect the same may be true of these renegade Herbalists.</p>
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